do's and don'ts of RWD in the FRS - Page 4 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

oso_25 · 08-10-2012, 07:54 PM

I have traction control off, but then again I dont do anything crazy things in my car and anyways paying attention. It also helps to that I drive for a living. I have had the traction control and I can tell the different and it feels like the car is controling you more than you controlling the car.

shadoquad · 08-10-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by QFry

dont get complacent and start feeling comfortable taking ANY corner faster than it "should" be taken without being ready to regain control. You may have taken the exact same corner twelve times in a day at the same exact speed and the thirteenth time something has happened (fresh oil on road...gravel from shoulder...water from car washing etc) to change conditions.

I agree, and I'd add to your list that you'll lose grip as your tires near the end of their tread life.

Nevermore · 08-10-2012, 08:12 PM

I am coming from FWD to RWD so I do find this thread useful. Plus, I'm concerned about skidding because I've had a couple of issues with it before, but only a few. Every time I've initiated a skid in my FWD car, I've tapped the brakes on accident and spun around, never wrecked, got incredibly lucky. I also spun my brother's 240SX out once taking off too fast from a stop sign after it had just started raining. I'm going to be so cautious driving this car haha. I'll definitely spend a lot of time in parking lots.

JohnATL · 08-10-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MVJ1975

I agree. Feels like it cuts the throttle off, accompanied with that flashing yellow light on the dash, telling me "don't do that again".

This is what it did for me.

MY13FRS · 08-10-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vtmike

It's called lift oversteer.

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Or "Snap Oversteer" in S2000 talk.

RyleyMA61 · 08-10-2012, 11:42 PM

lol, just drive the bloody thing!!!!

90% of people won't push a car hard enough to notice the difference between a FWD and RWD

nix · 08-11-2012, 12:03 AM

Guys take it to a track not a parking lot. Various ironic laws of the Universe will result in you either hitting a pole, getting arrested or both. Get the stupid out of your system in a safe legal environment.

Lonewolf · 08-11-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RyleyMA61

lol, just drive the bloody thing!!!!

90% of people won't push a car hard enough to notice the difference between a FWD and RWD

Can's agree with you there. You can drive like an absolute asshat in a FWD car (understeer and torque steer is fairly easy to handle) and get away with it all the time...not so much with RWD cars...

ngabdala · 08-11-2012, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Of course, none of this would be an issue if driving schools in the US actually taught people how to drive in adverse conditions, like how driving schools in Finland do it.

There are plenty of schools in the US that do that. They are not the same schools that one goes to in preparation for a driving exam to get their license.

Rossman · 08-11-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Nevermore

brakes on accident and

It's "by accident", not "on accident".

bestwheelbase · 08-11-2012, 01:56 PM

No amount of forum advice can replace in-car training.

There's a great, and inexpensive, one-day program happening around the country geared toward young drivers; it is called Street Survival. More info at www.StreetSurvival.org.

If that's not convenient, then find your local SCCA, PCA, BMWCCA, Audi Club NA group and ask about upcoming "car control clinics."

eriktherod · 08-11-2012, 02:04 PM

As much as everybody here is just trying to give good advice, newcomers to RWD (including myself) don't need to worry too much. It's not like RWD is some untamable beast that requires extreme caution -- just a sensible dose. (Always reminds me of the Top Gear episode with Jeremy in the super AMG trying to keep it straight

).

Basically, let yourself relearn the limits from FWD. The FRS/BRZ's traction control makes it very forgiving and correcting.

Driving responsibly, even in adverse conditions like rain, is not very difficult in this car. Hell, I feel like it loses traction LESS than my Si did.

Somewhat unrelated: It's ridiculously easy to chirp tires, even accidentally. Half the time I'm like.. really?

ShinyBRZ · 08-12-2012, 04:08 AM

"exploring limits" with the controls on, on the public road, is a waste of time. You won't learn anything except to be a thug with the controls. Go to a race or rally school, learn RWD techniques in the school cars, then get some tuition by the same experts in your own car.
Any other approach will be a disaster, though on the plus side you might end up with plenty of views on YouTube!

Synack · 08-13-2012, 12:53 AM

I prefer street sliding

Thanks Tokyo Drift

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bestwheelbase Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 1985 P-Type Location: Nashville, TN, USA Posts: 3,710 Thanks: 3,273 Thanked 2,058 Times in 1,098 Posts Mentioned: 50 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	No amount of forum advice can replace in-car training. There's a great, and inexpensive, one-day program happening around the country geared toward young drivers; it is called Street Survival. More info at www.StreetSurvival.org. If that's not convenient, then find your local SCCA, PCA, BMWCCA, Audi Club NA group and ask about upcoming "car control clinics."

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ShinyBRZ Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: BRZ Location: Northants Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	"exploring limits" with the controls on, on the public road, is a waste of time. You won't learn anything except to be a thug with the controls. Go to a race or rally school, learn RWD techniques in the school cars, then get some tuition by the same experts in your own car. Any other approach will be a disaster, though on the plus side you might end up with plenty of views on YouTube!

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