If the FT-86 is a fail...what will you do?

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Really? It worked for me... that's weird.

It looks like they moved it to here.

Mustang 6spd grinding, Made in China

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Giccin

Whoa~~

So is it going to have a wide body kit? Gonna be slammed for more aerodynamics? OMG! You gonna have an HKS steam pipe too?

Steam? This aint 1890! I'm running diesel! Got the Greddy TT-Smokescreen system on this sucker....the soot from the diesel exhaust sprays directly out hte back of the locomotive, spraying the front of whatever car dares drift up against me. Suckas can't see shit, get all mad and shit...hater's gonna hate!

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Steam? This aint 1890! I'm running diesel! Got the Greddy TT-Smokescreen system on this sucker....the soot from the diesel exhaust sprays directly out hte back of the locomotive, spraying the front of whatever car dares drift up against me. Suckas can't see shit, get all mad and shit...hater's gonna hate!

Ahem,*cough* diesel-electric.

And all three were used in 1890ish. Although Diesel fuel was made from peanut oil back then...I suddenly feel old .

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dimman

The thing with SOB being ripped on as a troll, is it's not just here. He's pretty much criticized everything about this car since he joined.

As for the Miata and Mustang being cheaper, well do you have a confirmed price on the Toyota/Scion? That's the next big question after getting confirmed power and weight figures. It could be a deal breaker if the price climbs to beyond the 'affordable' that everyone is expecting.

This car will likely be in the same price range as the Miata Sport (which is only a 5 speed) or Touring trim, I would hope. If it's more expensive I hope it's in the 200 hp 2500lbs range.

As for the Mustang, I've never considered buying one, even though I recognize that they are a billion times better than the old Fox 302s. A lot of people probably feel the same way.

When it comes to handling, they are benchmarking the Porsche Cayman, and have been testing extensively at the Nurburgring. I'm anticipating that it will actually out handle a C6 (not saying it will necessarily be faster around a track, though).

The Scion blab still bugs me. I put the pic in my sig, with my wheels, but a bad driving experience or bad buying experience (douchy sales reps) I will still walk.

My backup car is an MR-S and swapping in a 2ZZGE/6M combo, a hardtop and very minor other mods. It meets the lightweight, high revving, RWD, superb handling, decent mileage criteria of the FT86/FR-S, without dealing with idiot Scion sales reps trying to sell me coloured lighting and in-car DVD players, or other silliness. Plus I don't plan on drifting, so the mid-engine is no problem at all.

if its a scion the miata will be cheaper. the rebates on those things are crazy sometimes and scions no haggle junk is dumb. the mustang is...a mustang and that sucks but that car is stupid fast. like make stis look stupid fast. i brought those cars up because people who want power will want the mustang. if you want handling, my money is on the miata being more fun to drive. i used those two cars in the same sentence not because they are similar but the exact opposite, there seems to be whatever you want at that price range already at the top of its game.

imo nurburg testing is no more important than 0-60, use it to sell cars. im also going to say the new c6 would grip better than a cayman. i dont think either one of us are in a definitive position either way.

that mr2 sounds fun on paper but my friend has one and its kinda dissappointing. its fast and handles well but it does so without character. ymmv

i hope its everything it needs to be in order to survive

[SUB-FT86]

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Originally Posted by iDriveFast

If it fails then the gen coupe will be my next car

Originally Posted by Kage

Yeah the gen coupe is also my back up car. That or a g37

+3. I would get a 2011 3.8 track. All the features and power I want. But I would buy it gently used.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Steam? This aint 1890! I'm running diesel! Got the Greddy TT-Smokescreen system on this sucker....the soot from the diesel exhaust sprays directly out hte back of the locomotive, spraying the front of whatever car dares drift up against me. Suckas can't see shit, get all mad and shit...hater's gonna hate!

Too sick~

How big are your rims + Wheels?

Are you going to have a spoiler on it too? Tint?

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by fatoni

imo nurburg testing is no more important than 0-60, use it to sell cars. im also going to say the new c6 would grip better than a cayman. i dont think either one of us are in a definitive position either way.

I think Nurburgring tells you more about a car being driven at it's limit (what it can do at a track) vs 0-60 times. 0-60 is useless for every day driving experience.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I think Nurburgring tells you more about a car being driven at it's limit (what it can do at a track) vs 0-60 times. 0-60 is useless for every day driving experience.

not really. the ring is more driver dependent and too long to be consistent. at least a 0-60 time tells you something tangible and combined with the knowledge of transmission shows you how much power will be available. 0-60 happens way more often in daily driving than anything you would experience racing around nurburg. maybe well just have to agree to disagree but i feel at the end they are both just used as marketing ploys

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by fatoni

not really. the ring is more driver dependent and too long to be consistent. at least a 0-60 time tells you something tangible and combined with the knowledge of transmission shows you how much power will be available. 0-60 happens way more often in daily driving than anything you would experience racing around nurburg. maybe well just have to agree to disagree but i feel at the end they are both just used as marketing ploys

To certain level, I kinda agree... but I sure don't have 0-60 happen to me daily. IDK where you drive, but my daily work rout, I'll be happy if I hit 55

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

not really. the ring is more driver dependent and too long to be consistent. at least a 0-60 time tells you something tangible and combined with the knowledge of transmission shows you how much power will be available. 0-60 happens way more often in daily driving than anything you would experience racing around nurburg. maybe well just have to agree to disagree but i feel at the end they are both just used as marketing ploys

I'm not anticipating them having a 7 minute time with this car. In this case, this should be more like what the German manufacturers used it for; before it became the 'it' thing for the supercars once the 200mph club became passe'.

Basically the 'Ring is a looped, timed section of 'real' highway with some distinctly un-track like and highly varied road sections. So testing on here allows for good evaluation of real-world at-the-limit performance characteristics in a repeatable environment. At least that's what I hope their doing.

As for your buddy's MR-2/S, what was dull about it (2ZZGE 6M swap?)? I'm looking for an entertaining, comfortable, efficient daily driver. For pure 'character' my Supra will dominate the FR-S, so that's not my top priority. It's raw, rough and fast.

[aliphian]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

To certain level, I kinda agree... but I sure don't have 0-60 happen to me daily. IDK where you drive, but my daily work rout, I'll be happy if I hit 55

0-60 matters here because we drive at least 75 on the freeway and a lot of the on ramps are very short.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by aliphian

0-60 matters here because we drive at least 75 on the freeway and a lot of the on ramps are very short.

yeah freeway I do that much... but I don't go from 0 start. I'm in 2nd or 3rd gear at the ramp

[aliphian]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

yeah freeway I do that much... but I don't go from 0 start. I'm in 2nd or 3rd gear at the ramp

Ok fine, 20-80 then.

The ramp near my house has a terrible angle. I get on the ramp at about 10mph so I'm almost at a dead stop.

[racinstylez]

0-60 does matter, but what matters most especially here in Texas is 30-70. When you are coming from the feeder road onto the highway, you better be able to accelerate and change lanes quickly or you'll be stuck on the feeder to the next exit lol.