Scion FR-S Concept First Official Pics/Videos + NYIAS Pics and Press Conference

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I don't care for boost, I like NA... but I do give a credit on boost for cost efficient to get more HP out of certain engine.

+1. If I can reach my HP figure the NA way that is the route I want. 300hp NA > 300hp turbo. That is just my opinion if all else is equal.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

+1. If I can reach my HP figure the NA way that is the route I want. 300hp NA > 300hp turbo. That is just my opinion if all else is equal.

300hp NA from original 2.0L 145hp is too optimistic even with exhaust and header, air intake, ECU tuned, and ermmm sticker, which adds 15hp().

[Crashoverride]

300 would make this car scream!!! I know that is my goal reguardless of how I get there. supercharger, turbo, NA what ever just get me my 300..LOL

[JohnnyR]

Originally Posted by Dark

300hp NA from original 2.0L 145hp is too optimistic even with exhaust and header, air intake, ECU tuned, and ermmm sticker, which adds 15hp().

You'd need to get cams and bump up the compression as well, and you'd also have a very very narrow sweet spot as well, and to top it off, you "may" need to spray. A fully built turbo kit will most likely be the way to go to add on the power, the easier and most livable too.

[Crashoverride]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

without aftermarket turbo, I highly doubt it

I don't care how I do it..LOLjust as long as I do..LOL

[Hachiroku]

In case you guys haven't seen these in the Scion FR-S photoshop sticky in the Photo Forum, by old greg


WOW....

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by JohnnyR

You'd need to get cams and bump up the compression as well, and you'd also have a very very narrow sweet spot as well, and to top it off, you "may" need to spray. A fully built turbo kit will most likely be the way to go to add on the power, the easier and most livable too.

not necessarily true. they've got F22Cs making almost 300 hp n/a to the wheels with great torque curves. we're talkin crazy$$$ though and some expert head porting and ecu tuning.

edit: wow those photoshops are siiick. really diggin the gunmetal grey

[m.box.design]

Originally Posted by eckoman_pdx

The car looks decent, though the Scion styling and re badging are overkill. Honestly badging it as a Scion is a buzz kill for me. I own an MR2 Turbo, several have friend's Supra Turbos. I know people with Celica All-Tracs, and even AE86's. These are all great TOYOTA sports cars. I am a TOYOTA enthusiast, not a Scion enthusiasts. This car was suppose to represent the legendary Toyota sports cars of the past. None of those were Scions, and I know as an MR2 enthusiasts, if you tried to re-badge an MR2 as a Scion we'd all blow a fuse. IMO rebadging this car as a Scion is a slap in the face to Toyota's sports car heritage, a slap in the face to all those cars and the enthusiasts who follow them. It's saying "we don't care about you or history." I mean, you're going to honor past Toyota's by making a car which isn't called a Toyota? That's just stupid. As I said, try rebadging an SW20 MR2 or MKIV Supra as a Scion and see how owners take it. At least the rest of the world is getting a Toyota badged product, so it can be re-badge it as a Toyota. I guess to get a Toyota you'll have to go "EDM" or "JDM on it. I think I'll hold out for the Subaru, it's not a Toyota badge wise, but neither is a Scion. I'm a Toyota enthusiasts, but this isn't a Toyota in the states...it's a Scion. That just kills it for me. At least if Subaru releases a variant, there's a good chance it'll be turbocharged and AWD.

The issue is that Toyota USA has created brands to fit the images they want to portray (Lexus, Toyota, Scion). It's all about demographics, not about the enthusiasts. Younger drivers would likely think that Toyota would be too boring of a brand to drive, whereas folks with thicker wallets would think it's cheap to be seen in a Toyota, hence the partitioning of Toyota into Lexus and Scion brands. The average consumer doesn't really care about heritage, it's all about the image and branding; and that's what the American society is all about nowadays. Brand and Image.

[VenomRush]

Originally Posted by indesign

The issue is that Toyota USA has created brands to fit the images they want to portray (Lexus, Toyota, Scion). It's all about demographics, not about the enthusiasts. Younger drivers would likely think that Toyota would be too boring of a brand to drive, whereas folks with thicker wallets would think it's cheap to be seen in a Toyota, hence the partitioning of Toyota into Lexus and Scion brands. The average consumer doesn't really care about heritage, it's all about the image and branding; and that's what the American society is all about nowadays. Brand and Image.

very well put

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by indesign

The issue is that Toyota USA has created brands to fit the images they want to portray (Lexus, Toyota, Scion). It's all about demographics, not about the enthusiasts. Younger drivers would likely think that Toyota would be too boring of a brand to drive, whereas folks with thicker wallets would think it's cheap to be seen in a Toyota, hence the partitioning of Toyota into Lexus and Scion brands. The average consumer doesn't really care about heritage, it's all about the image and branding; and that's what the American society is all about nowadays. Brand and Image.

+9000.

I rewatched the scion introduction of the FR-S and towards the last 2 minutes he says it will target older potential buyers.

Seems like Scion is trying to get out of that ugly "youth appealing" deal and trying to change their image to sporty adults with money in their pockets.

[dalli]

Thank you HACHI!!!!

[s2upid]

BLACK LOOKS SEXY OH MAN

[iff2mastamatt]

I love the white! Great find!

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by eckoman_pdx

The car looks decent, though the Scion styling and re badging are overkill. Honestly badging it as a Scion is a buzz kill for me. I own an MR2 Turbo, several have friend's Supra Turbos. I know people with Celica All-Tracs, and even AE86's. These are all great TOYOTA sports cars. I am a TOYOTA enthusiast, not a Scion enthusiasts. This car was suppose to represent the legendary Toyota sports cars of the past. None of those were Scions, and I know as an MR2 enthusiasts, if you tried to re-badge an MR2 as a Scion we'd all blow a fuse. IMO rebadging this car as a Scion is a slap in the face to Toyota's sports car heritage, a slap in the face to all those cars and the enthusiasts who follow them. It's saying "we don't care about you or history." I mean, you're going to honor past Toyota's by making a car which isn't called a Toyota? That's just stupid. As I said, try rebadging an SW20 MR2 or MKIV Supra as a Scion and see how owners take it. At least the rest of the world is getting a Toyota badged product, so it can be re-badge it as a Toyota. I guess to get a Toyota you'll have to go "EDM" or "JDM on it. I think I'll hold out for the Subaru, it's not a Toyota badge wise, but neither is a Scion. I'm a Toyota enthusiasts, but this isn't a Toyota in the states...it's a Scion. That just kills it for me. At least if Subaru releases a variant, there's a good chance it'll be turbocharged and AWD.

you haven't been paying much attention, have you?