Space Things

[Unplugem]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Sorry, totally fake and obviously a conspiracy. I mean, I'm not the only one that saw the strings on the aliens, right? So many video anomalies, complete AI generated.

I bet you think the Nutella floating by was a coincidence, huh? With the label rotating into view for that "perfect shot."
Does that not seem like an anomaly to you? LMAO outer space is science fiction filmed in a Hollywood basement. Just ask the Red Hot Chili Peppers; they love to mock all of you science fiction fans.

[alex87f]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Yea, I get that. I'm a private pilot and I understand how an airplane flies (Newton's 3rd law and all), but I don't understand why.

If you have the time and enjoy that sort of thing, try to play KSP. It's only a game and a cartoony one at that, but it really helps understand rocket building and orbital mechanisms:

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Unplugem

I bet you think the Nutella floating by was a coincidence, huh? With the label rotating into view for that "perfect shot."
Does that not seem like an anomaly to you?

Honestly, didn't notice it, and frankly don't care. If Nutella paid for an ad, then that's just more funding. Astronauts could dress like NASCAR drivers for all it matters to me.

Originally Posted by Unplugem

LMAO outer space is science fiction filmed in a Hollywood basement. Just ask the Red Hot Chili Peppers; they love to mock all of you science fiction fans.

Outer space is not fiction. Even in a flat earth world, outer space exists. Hey, but you do you.

[Unplugem]

[Unplugem]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Outer space is not fiction. Even in a flat earth world, outer space exists.

The 2014 CSXT GoFast rocket holds the record for the highest and fastest amateur rocket. At 73.1 miles it suddenly stops. Rockets don't have brakes, so what brought it to an immediate halt?
Nothing gets through the Aether, let alone the firmament.
The only thing that's been to outer space is your imagination.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Unplugem

The 2014 CSXT GoFast rocket holds the record for the highest and fastest amateur rocket. At 73.1 miles it suddenly stops. Rockets don't have brakes, so what brought it to an immediate halt?
Nothing gets through the Aether, let alone the firmament.
The only thing that's been to outer space is your imagination.

Gravity.

GoFast's engines burned for about 13 seconds or so, reaching about mach 5. At that point it was at 49,000ft. It then used its speed to continue to 379,900 ft slowly decelerating along the way not having any further thrust. At the peak gravity had slowed it to zero, at which point it began it's fall back to Earth.

So, basically, it acted like any other object that uses some form of limited propulsion to leave the surface of the Earth, returning once its velocity is overcome by gravity.

No different than me attempting a launch to dunk a basketball and coming up about 2 feet short. Lack of further propulsion.

[Unplugem]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Gravity.

GoFast's engines burned for about 13 seconds or so, reaching about mach 5. At that point it was at 49,000ft. It then used its speed to continue to 379,900 ft slowly decelerating along the way not having any further thrust. At the peak gravity had slowed it to zero, at which point it began it's fall back to Earth.

So, basically, it acted like any other object that uses some form of limited propulsion to leave the surface of the Earth, returning once its velocity is overcome by gravity.

No different than me attempting a launch to dunk a basketball and coming up about 2 feet short. Lack of further propulsion.

This video shows footage from two different angles, and you can clearly see that the change in velocity happens suddenly and it's not only its upward velocity, but also its rotation suddenly slows at the exact same moment. For both of these forces to suddenly change, in addition to the audible impact, there is clear evidence that the rocket made physical contact with something.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Unplugem

This video shows footage from two different angles, and you can clearly see that the change in velocity happens suddenly and it's not only its upward velocity, but also its rotation suddenly slows at the exact same moment. For both of these forces to suddenly change, in addition to the audible impact, there is clear evidence that the rocket made physical contact with something.

It hits physics.

The rocket hits MECO, which means it stops accelerating. That causes a reduction in the spin rate, which is induced by a combination of the thrust and the design of the fins. It's a loss of acceleration, not speed, although the speed does fall off (again, gravity).

The audible "impact" are the mechanics of stage separation and deceleration being transported through the ship structure to the mic (or its added later given they are in space and there is no air to transmit sound)

Or, it hit the dome, whichever you prefer.

[Unplugem]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

It hits physics.

The rocket hits MECO, which means it stops accelerating. That causes a reduction in the spin rate, which is induced by a combination of the thrust and the design of the fins. It's a loss of acceleration, not speed, although the speed does fall off (again, gravity).

The audible "impact" are the mechanics of stage separation and deceleration being transported through the ship structure to the mic (or its added later given they are in space and there is no air to transmit sound)

Or, it hit the dome, whichever you prefer.

I did some research and I came across something called a "yo-yo despin" device, which is capable of drastically slowing the spin of the rocket. It's definitely an interesting device and I was completely unaware of its existence.
Now if I could just get a comparably logical explanation for why the "astronauts" in this video are not showing up in the cell phone cameras...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Unplugem

Now if I could just get a comparably logical explanation for why the "astronauts" in this video are not showing up in the cell phone cameras...

I will admit it looks odd, and can be interpreted as "they aren't really there" but in the end that is way more complicated than the truth. I can't think of a reasonable reason they wouldn't just walk out the door and wave at the crowd.

Likely the cause of this is the normal "camera filming a camera" issues that happen in videos.

You should look into HDR Ghosting and Merge Artifacts, Rolling Shutter Artifacts, Exposure Compensation Washout issues amongst some others.

Bottom line, it is very possible for bright objects (the orange suits) to disappear in a recording of a recording, which is what this is. It's the same thing that makes LED lights blink and causes wheels or propellers to seemingly switch direction in videos.

[strat61caster]

wtf is happening here

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

wtf is happening here

Just a quick side conversation regarding Flat Earth without trying to be too judgy.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled conversations on Space stuff.

Looking forward to seeing Starship 14 and its orbital flight next week, assuming it isn't delayed again. It really needs to be successful to keep things on track.

[blsfrs]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Just a quick side conversation regarding Flat Earth without trying to be too judgy.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled conversations on Space stuff.

Looking forward to seeing Starship 14 and its orbital flight next week, assuming it isn't delayed again. It really needs to be successful to keep things on track.

You, of course, know that no amount of data with change the mind of a hardcore "believer". Data contrary to their own will only reinforce their belief. Still, it can be entertaining.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by blsfrs

You, of course, know that no amount of data with change the mind of a hardcore "believer". Data contrary to their own will only reinforce their belief. Still, it can be entertaining.

Of course, but I enjoy the discourse.