New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

and we hope he doesnt become one lol

Not in this lifetime....

Here's why I love (so far) my EV.

• It will go everywhere I want to go 99% of the time with no fueling issues
• It has 500HP and 450ft/lb of torque, all available at any speed.
• I now have a fueling station at home, and one at work.
• It rides like a Cadillac because it is.
• I still have MomHawk's Mustang if I want some ICE noise.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Good luck getting the green wackos to sign off on mining that.

The first few sentences kind of lay out the situation, which seems like it can't get much worse there for the environment, and it seems like a lot of people are talking about the income from the industries providing money to fund restoration projects.

About 40 miles north of the California-Mexico border lies the shrinking, landlocked lake known as the Salton Sea. Though the lake was once the epicenter of a thriving resort community, water contamination and decades of drought have contributed to a collapse of its once-vibrant ecosystem and given rise to ghost towns.

But amid this environmental disaster, the California Energy Commission estimates that there’s enough lithium here to meet all of the United States’ projected future demand and 40% of the world’s demand.

Traditionally, lithium extraction involves either open-pit mining or evaporation ponds, which work by pumping lithium-containing brine to the surface and waiting for the water to dry up. Both of these methods have huge land footprints, are often very water intensive and can create a lot of contamination and waste.

But at the Salton Sea, three companies are developing chemical processes to extract lithium in a much cleaner way, taking advantage of the Salton Sea’s rich geothermal resources. Near the lake, there are already 11 operating geothermal power plants, 10 of which are owned by Berkshire Hathaway
’s renewable energy division, BHE Renewables.

“We are already pumping 50,000 gallons of brine per minute across all of our 10 geothermal facilities to the surface,” said Alicia Knapp, president and CEO of BHE Renewables, “and we’re using the steam from that brine to generate clean energy. So we’re really halfway there in that we’ve got the lithium right here in our hands.”

Environmentalists also see this as a moment to catalyze momentum around habitat restoration at the Salton Sea. While California has been working on the problem for years, advocates are pushing the state to expedite projects that involve creating lower-salinity ponds on the dry lake bed where fish and bird species can thrive. And with the state’s budget surplus, things are finally moving.

As mining projects face community concern and backlash in other parts of the country, it seems that lithium recovery at the Salton Sea could be the rare-minerals project that unites most stakeholders.

[WolfpackS2k]

Oh it absolutely will be worth it. Wasn't even a remotely permanent body of water anyway; having been created by heavy flooding long ago (relatively speaking).

[Irace86.2.0]

[Dadhawk]

Looks like Toyota is finally jumping in with both feet, making a huge investment in Georgetown, KY to build a yet to be announced 3 row SUV EV.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/toyot...173744412.html

[Irace86.2.0]

24M Claims The 1000 Mile Battery Is Nearly Here

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/02/14...s-nearly-here/

Graphs show the comparison of this battery to lithium-iron-phosphate and to typical lithium-nickle-cobalt-aluminum and lithium-nickle-manganese-cobalt batteries.

[Irace86.2.0]

Lithium-ion batteries break energy density record

https://physicsworld.com/a/lithium-i...ensity-record/

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Looks like Toyota is finally jumping in with both feet, making a huge investment in Georgetown, KY to build a yet to be announced 3 row SUV EV.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/toyot...173744412.html

I don't think this is a new development, but they have been allocating more funds to EV development after the CEO Switcheroo.

I don't expect to see much in the way of EV's until they get their next gen EV platform up and running. Seems to me they are abandoning and salvaging whatever is left of TNGA-e right now. I think the next BEV Lexus model is to be the first one on this new platform.

[Lantanafrs2]

Maybe not, after all?

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by mav1178

https://globalnews.ca/news/7286199/b...fire-map-2020/

Just because it's not reported doesn't mean it isn't on fire... don't forget Canada had some pretty bad ones in years past, the 2016 Fort McMurray one was one of the worst.

And don't forget the fires in eastern BC in 2017(which were heavily reported). I flew out to Seattle that summer and the smell was close to unbearable. Fortunately,when I drove up to Vancouver,it wasn't nearly as bad,but you could still smell it,or was it just stuck in my nose in Seattle and wouldn't go away.


There were BC fires in 2018 that were actually worse! My friend that lived in Portland at the time said that the smell was pretty bad all the way down there too.

[Lantanafrs2]

https://insideevs.com/news/777391/gm...-layoffs-3300/

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

https://insideevs.com/news/777391/gm...-layoffs-3300/

No real surprise here. The tax credit expiring moved forward a lot of purchase plans for the next two or three quarters. Demand will now slump because of it so no or reduced inventory needed.

I'm no expert but I agree with the article where it says that by mid next year the slump will level out and growth in the market will continue. GM is selling a lot of the lower end (Equinox, etc) and the new Bolt next year will likely sell well if it is under $30K.

The OEMs need to figure out how to price the cars on par with ICE vehicles of the same size. Not sure how they'll do that, but if they do, demand will pick back up at least on the East and West coasts.

I have taken 3 long distance trips in mine in the past 4 weeks with round trips of 1,400 miles, 800 miles and 260 miles. The last trip required no charging (returned home with a 20% remaining). The other two required charging stops every 3 to 4 hours for 30 minutes. (two each way on the 1,400 mile trip, 1 on the 800 mile trip). I had a plethora of charging options each time.

[Lantanafrs2]

Imo the ev market will develop based on merit and maybe pricing given the high price of well equipped ice vehicles. Obviously the government incentives are gone and the climate change religion is beginning to crumble but many i talk to are interested in them, especially if battery range improves.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Imo the ev market will develop based on merit and maybe pricing given the high price of well equipped ice vehicles. Obviously the government incentives are gone and the climate change religion is beginning to crumble but many i talk to are interested in them, especially if battery range improves.

Agreed, and it should have been that way from the beginning. Help with the infrastructure makes sense, but help with the car purchase did not, IMO.

I think you nailed it with the EV option being the match for the fully decked out upper tier option package of a similar car, at least in the short run. That's really what the Bolt and the Equinox is in relationship to it's ICE counterparts.

Of course I would have taken the incentive if it were available when I purchased my LYRIQ. It didn't qualify at the time, but GM did cover it with a $7,500 "GM Promise" credit, and an additional $5K off for them delaying my car from 2023 MY to 2024 so I got the benefit without taxpayers having to assist.