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Spuds · 11-16-2023, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Lucid Gravity 3 row SUV. Looks like it has potential, but as with the Air not digging the style. I was all hot for the Air until I saw one on person vs photos.

So I've seen a few Airs, and it looks much better in certain colors than others. It's strange. Could also have been the lighting.

I'd totally try to convince my wife to let me buy one if I had a few extra garage spaces lol.

Dadhawk · 11-16-2023, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Spuds

So I've seen a few Airs, and it looks much better in certain colors than others. It's strange. Could also have been the lighting.

Probably. Every one I've seen in my area (I've seen 3 unique specimens) have been 70's Buick Goldish brown.

Spuds · 11-16-2023, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Probably. Every one I've seen in my area (I've seen 3 unique specimens) have been 70's Buick Goldish brown.

That's the color that looks the worst! I saw it in brown first and thought it looked bad. Then I saw it in silver while I was in CA and thought it was much better. I think brighter colors work better.

Sasquachulator · 11-16-2023, 06:30 PM

I rove by an EQE on the road yesterday....good god that thing does NOT look anywhere near close to a 100 thousand dollar car.....

Its got size...but its a blob. Looks like any cheapo mainstream economy car from various angles.
The lightbar taillights work on the rounded bubble butt, i'll give it that.

I looked at it from my rear view mirror (was driving) and it literally looks like the 8th gen civic when they brought the weird rounded off wedge shape with he 2 tier spaceship dash....It was pretty awful.

Then there was a Merc E class that drove past it and...yup the Merc looks like a Merc and much more premium looking in comparison to the awful EQE.

What was MB thinking with their EV lineup......

Dadhawk · 11-17-2023, 01:39 PM

Cadillac drops some details on the Optiq, their "entry level" coming soon. This is basically an upscale Equinox.

Sasquachulator · 11-17-2023, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Cadillac drops some details on the Optiq, their "entry level" coming soon. This is basically an upscale Equinox.

Their EV nomenclature is a bit...interesting.

Celestiq, Lyriq, Optiq....
What other words could they "iq"-ify?
Rustiq? Solariq, Performiq?

Somehwat tricky to find a word that you can add "iq" to the end and not make it sound goofy lol.

Dadhawk · 11-17-2023, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Their EV nomenclature is a bit...interesting.

Celestiq, Lyriq, Optiq....
What other words could they "iq"-ify?
Rustiq? Solariq, Performiq?

Somehwat tricky to find a word that you can add "iq" to the end and not make it sound goofy lol.

Yea. That's why the king will be the Escalade IQ and not the Escaladiq.

bcj · 11-17-2023, 03:01 PM

Ricardo Montalbon-ick

Sasquachulator · 11-17-2023, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Yea. That's why the king will be the Escalade IQ and not the Escaladiq.

Cadillac Alcoholiq with Full self driving,
for those boozers who are too drunk to drive!

Lantanafrs2 · 11-19-2023, 11:59 AM

Irace86.2.0 · 11-19-2023, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

[lucid video]

The CEO is probably going to kill the company. They made 1,550 cars, which isn't a lot for the investment, but they could grow to a Tesla/normal sized manufacture someday. Tesla was in the red and so was Amazon for years before they had a return on their investment. Everyone was talking then how each Tesla sold was losing tens of thousands of dollars.

Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every car sold (2015 article)
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/10/tesl...-car-sold.html

Lucid Air CEO might be to blame for this one:

Lucid Built Just 1,550 Airs In Q3, Is Said To Be Losing $338,000 On Each EV Sold
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/10/lu...each-car-sold/

Lucid CEO’s $379 million annual pay draws criticism from billionaire Elon Musk: ‘Beware any company where leadership compensation is not linked to performance’
https://fortune.com/2023/09/05/lucid...-compensation/

$338,000 x 1,550 = $523,900,000.... that - $379,000,000 = $144,900,000 left, so maybe not as much as $338,000 on each car, actually. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the losses are coming from payouts to the C-suite executives. I would imagine the company has plenty of room to lower prices without actually affecting their bottom line.

Oh wait, here we go for 2021. I wonder what the 2023 packages are in total for top executives...

https://www.lucidinsider.com/2022/06...tive-officers/

alex87f · 11-20-2023, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The CEO is probably going to kill the company. They made 1,550 cars, which isn't a lot for the investment, but they could grow to a Tesla/normal sized manufacture someday. Tesla was in the red and so was Amazon for years before they had a return on their investment. Everyone was talking then how each Tesla sold was losing tens of thousands of dollars.

Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every car sold (2015 article)
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/10/tesl...-car-sold.html

Lucid Air CEO might be to blame for this one:

Lucid Built Just 1,550 Airs In Q3, Is Said To Be Losing $338,000 On Each EV Sold
https://www.carscoops.com/2023/10/lu...each-car-sold/

Lucid CEO’s $379 million annual pay draws criticism from billionaire Elon Musk: ‘Beware any company where leadership compensation is not linked to performance’
https://fortune.com/2023/09/05/lucid...-compensation/

$338,000 x 1,550 = $523,900,000.... that - $379,000,000 = $144,900,000 left, so maybe not as much as $338,000 on each car, actually. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the losses are coming from payouts to the C-suite executives. I would imagine the company has plenty of room to lower prices without actually affecting their bottom line.

Oh wait, here we go for 2021. I wonder what the 2023 packages are in total for top executives...

https://www.lucidinsider.com/2022/06...tive-officers/

You're comparing Q3 builds with his yearly package

.

Also, his 2021 package was 98.3% stock. So:
-it is absolutely linked to company performance despite what Musk says
-it is not cash and has no bearing on the loss per vehicle

Still, this is a huge package for a company that has few actual sales. 380x times the compensation of Rivian's CEO !

Dadhawk · 11-20-2023, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by alex87f

Also, his 2021 package was 98.3% stock.!

That's also the year Rivian went public so likely this is the result of his private shares gaining a monetary value.

alex87f · 11-20-2023, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

That's also the year Rivian went public so likely this is the result of his private shares gaining a monetary value.

Was the same last year. $379M including $372M stock.

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