New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

When has the government not been in this business?

Prior to 1862, if memory serves me correctly. That is when the Pacific Railway Act and the Homesteader's Act were passed. I could be wrong about that though.

[WolfpackS2k]

Tell me about all the subsidies for gasoline cars and fueling stations back in the 20s.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Prior to 1862, if memory serves me correctly. That is when the Pacific Railway Act and the Homesteader's Act were passed. I could be wrong about that though.

Lol how old are you exactly?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Lol how old are you exactly?

Let's just say I have a portrait in the attic....

[bcj]

Also made it illegal to claim ownership of other humans. On the books anyway.
Damn liberals ruining everything.

/S /S /S /S

[Irace86.2.0]

US Electric Vehicle Sales Reach Breakthrough Pace

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-checkout=true

Ford's Farley recently said EV adoption will be slower than anticipated. He could be right, but by these numbers, there could be mass adoption soon. From what this article is saying, we will likely reach 4 million EVs sold within Q3-Q4, so less than a year. The US sold around 15 million cars, light trucks and CUVs/SUVs, so this is around 6.5% of sales are now EVs. The S-curve of adoption typically goes vertical (especially for recent tech) around the 5-10% mark, so it will probably do the same within the next five years.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Tell me about all the subsidies for gasoline cars and fueling stations back in the 20s.

Ok.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i...20since%201913.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...ad_Act_of_1916

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...ay_Act_of_1921

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED123348.pdf

https://www.dbl.vc/wp-content/upload...son-Do-2.4.pdf

If you don't want to parse the above paper, based on federal budgets of the time, through the 1920's the US gave about $2.5 billion/year (today's dollars) in tax breaks to oil and gas.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ergy-timeline/

Not to mention regional efforts such as traffic control (stop lights, train crossings, pedestrian bridges etc.) and education (drivers ed being introduced in high schools and available via local government support) to make automobiles a viable transportation tool.

[Irace86.2.0]

I was going to do the same as you, but I couldn't tell how Wolf was phrasing is laugh out loud at Dadhawk, saying there were none in comparison to EVs or saying there were a lot, which there has been a lot, as you pointed out. Maybe we will get some clarification after your post.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I was going to do the same as you, but I couldn't tell how Wolf was phrasing is laugh out loud at Dadhawk, saying there were none in comparison to EVs or saying there were a lot, which there has been a lot, as you pointed out. Maybe we will get some clarification after your post.

I was just saying the last time the government wasn't in the subsidy business was a very long time ago, basically agreeing with you.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I was just saying the last time the government wasn't in the subsidy business was a very long time ago, basically agreeing with you.

Yeah, I understood that, but what was Wolf saying?

[Irace86.2.0]

These guys recycle the black mass of batteries to make lithium that is purer than the virgin materials.

[Lantanafrs2]

[Lantanafrs2]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/25/gm-h...30000-evs.html

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/25/gm-h...30000-evs.html

I was just reading this, although the explanation doesn't make sense. They are canceling the project because of supposedly lower than expected demands for EVs yet the reason the demand is low is exactly because a $30,000 version (with the exception of the walking dead Bolt which is selling like hotcakes) doesn't exist. I think the Bolt demand shows the market is there, I think the real issue is building a vehicle to that price point.