New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Lantanafrs2]

I'm sure the k24 swap is carb approved

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

If those options are available in the area. We are talking rural country here. I know of two charging stations between where we all live, and the farthest area they have been regularly working. Neither are fast charging and only one could accomodate a truck with trailer, but only if you pull in and block all 4 chargers and a handicap spot.

The S curve for adoption tapers off, so there are late adopters still using flip phones, rotary phones and pagers. This will be true of ICEs. Until hydrogen, swapping or battery infrastructure is fully realized, there will be late adopters and special-case users who will still require ICE. The most likely scenario is that we will see a boost in range, cold weather performance and rate of charging that may resolve these issues for late adopters. The most likely solution in the short term will be plug-in hybrid trucks with ICE range extenders that are turbocharged two cylinders or something. The other likely scenario besides battery swapping are battery range-extending trailers. These would be RVs, boat trailers and flatbed trailers with their own batteries that hook up to the towing truck to provide extended range. The other option for range is for an EV to tow an owned or rented outboard motor for extended range needs on those rare events that they are traveling remote. Lots of options.



It is hard to know what the grid could look like in 30-50 years. China does things faster, but these show the speed of growth. Once everyone builds out superchargers, the growth of locations will go up even faster.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

What do you mean by not going to help much? You mean it’ll lose its utility because it would need to recharge often due to the low range with loads, or are you trying to say something else?

I would say that the statistics on towing, show most campers and boaters who tow don’t go far like 15-30 miles, so towing won’t be a huge issue for even the vast majority of towers and haulers. Few will truly have problems with EV trucks as-is for 99% of their days or better. Long haulers would be the rare exception.

I don't own a truck but if I were to purchase one the primary reason would be to tow my track/race car to the race track. Furthest one I've driven to is Sebring (12 hour drive) and nearest is VIR (90 min drive). I have a very difficult time seeing when EV trucks will be able to do those (longer) trips without being absolutely miserable and excessive time consuming. And that's fine, but I find it laughable for marketing to act like EV trucks are ready for prime time. Can most people that drive regular trucks switch to EV trucks? Probably, but those are also the people that shouldn't even have a f'ing truck in the first place

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

Sports cars / performance cars can run catless, their percentage is not that big, so they should be smog exempt anyway:P

Eh? Every street vehicle should have a cat. Their environmental benefits are HUGE. Downsides very very minor.

[Arthur-A]

Not the sports cars. Exhaust gasses should flow unrestricted.

Besides, I like to use high zddp engine oil, which can potentially clog the catalytic converter.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The S curve for adoption tapers off, so there are late adopters still using flip phones, rotary phones and pagers. This will be true of ICEs. Until hydrogen, swapping or battery infrastructure is fully realized, there will be late adopters and special-case users who will still require ICE. The most likely scenario is that we will see a boost in range, cold weather performance and rate of charging that may resolve these issues for late adopters. The most likely solution in the short term will be plug-in hybrid trucks with ICE range extenders that are turbocharged two cylinders or something. The other likely scenario besides battery swapping are battery range-extending trailers. These would be RVs, boat trailers and flatbed trailers with their own batteries that hook up to the towing truck to provide extended range. The other option for range is for an EV to tow an owned or rented outboard motor for extended range needs on those rare events that they are traveling remote. Lots of options.



It is hard to know what the grid could look like in 30-50 years. China does things faster, but these show the speed of growth. Once everyone builds out superchargers, the growth of locations will go up even faster.

You are not hauling a flatbed of siding up a 15 mile grade with a 2 cylinder turbo plug in hybrid or towing a range extender and a mini excavator. Adding a battery to a trailer is also going to increase it's weight which will require a larger tow vehicle. Until infrastructure improves it is just not viable for people who actually needs a truck in more rural area's. Like I said, there are charging stations, they just are not even useable when towing. I don't see these infrastructure changes happening in my area till long after you have them.

Personally, unless I can buy an EV that fills multiple needs, I am not going to buy one. Just buying one as a commuter is not cost effective for me.

[MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Can most people that drive regular trucks switch to EV trucks? Probably, but those are also the people that shouldn't even have a f'ing truck in the first place

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

You are not hauling a flatbed of siding up a 15 mile grade with a 2 cylinder turbo plug in hybrid or towing a range extender and a mini excavator. Adding a battery to a trailer is also going to increase it's weight which will require a larger tow vehicle. Until infrastructure improves it is just not viable for people who actually needs a truck in more rural area's. Like I said, there are charging stations, they just are not even useable when towing. I don't see these infrastructure changes happening in my area till long after you have them.

Personally, unless I can buy an EV that fills multiple needs, I am not going to buy one. Just buying one as a commuter is not cost effective for me.

The 2 cylinder isn’t to pull the load. It won’t be attached to the wheels. It will be a generator to charge the batteries like most plug-in hybrids or range extender EVs. The torque of the EV motors will be fine. Imagine a Ford F150 Lightening with a 0.5-1L turbo range extender.

Adding batteries to a trailer is not an issue, as I posted previously. 96% of light duty trucks tow less than 10k pounds and have plenty of capacity to tow more. Towing an extra 500-1000 pounds on a trailer to extend the range wouldn’t be an issue, and it could more than double the range; if a car gets 250 of range with a battery having to support motors and body structure then doubling the capacity without the rest of the car should more than double the range. Range extenders of varying types could allow people to drive on EV power alone for 99% of the time and use the range extender for the rare occasion.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The 2 cylinder isn’t to pull the load. It won’t be attached to the wheels. It will be a generator to charge the batteries like most plug-in hybrids or range extender EVs. The torque of the EV motors will be fine. Imagine a Ford F150 Lightening with a 0.5-1L turbo range extender..

Sorry, but truck folks are going to buy either hybrid or full ICE not this Frankenstein solution.

GM (or someone, but GM already knows how to do it) should have built a "Volt tech" truck to solve this problem. It works great on locomotives and they likely would not be able to keep up with demand.

If someone would build a Volt type vehicle (of any type) with a 200 mile EV range, I would buy it today. Unfortunately that will never exist.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The 2 cylinder isn’t to pull the load. It won’t be attached to the wheels. It will be a generator to charge the batteries like most plug-in hybrids or range extender EVs. The torque of the EV motors will be fine. Imagine a Ford F150 Lightening with a 0.5-1L turbo range extender.

Adding batteries to a trailer is not an issue, as I posted previously. 96% of light duty trucks tow less than 10k pounds and have plenty of capacity to tow more. Towing an extra 500-1000 pounds on a trailer to extend the range wouldn’t be an issue, and it could more than double the range; if a car gets 250 of range with a battery having to support motors and body structure then doubling the capacity without the rest of the car should more than double the range. Range extenders of varying types could allow people to drive on EV power alone for 99% of the time and use the range extender for the rare occasion.

Yeah, I know the range extending motor doesn't power the wheels. I just don't see it being enough when they are doing as I described and the distance they are driving is on the limit of what EV trucks can tow on flat ground with a light load.

As I said, I am not talking 96% of truck owners. I am talking about guys who actually have to drive a 1 ton diesel because they are building 6 houses at a given time and moving equipment around that with the trailer, is pushing 10K. Adding batteries to every trailer they have to extend range is not really that cost effective. Between the 4 of them I know that regularly work together, we are talking like 8 different trailers. Tongue weight is also as important when talking trailer weights as gross weight. You have to keep that in mind. I'd be more effective as a whole if we just had the infrastructure to support the use then try to bandaid EV vehicles and make them more costly and heavy.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Sorry, but truck folks are going to buy either hybrid or full ICE not this Frankenstein solution.

GM (or someone, but GM already knows how to do it) should have built a "Volt tech" truck to solve this problem. It works great on locomotives and they likely would not be able to keep up with demand.

If someone would build a Volt type vehicle (of any type) with a 200 mile EV range, I would buy it today. Unfortunately that will never exist.

They will need to buy what is available. True hybrids will be removed from the market eventually. Plug-in hybrids could last, but if there are ICEs in passenger vehicles, it most likely will be as range extenders for EVs.

Range extenders are nothing new. They only activate to charge the battery once the battery level drops below a certain level, but it is super easy software to have a button to initiate tow mode to keep the range extender constantly topping off the battery. Towing uses more torque, but the needed torque or the needed power consumption is less than what a turbo two cylinder could deliver to maintain the battery charge under demanding conditions.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Yeah, I know the range extending motor doesn't power the wheels. I just don't see it being enough when they are doing as I described and the distance they are driving is on the limit of what EV trucks can tow on flat ground with a light load.

As I said, I am not talking 96% of truck owners. I am talking about guys who actually have to drive a 1 ton diesel because they are building 6 houses at a given time and moving equipment around that with the trailer, is pushing 10K. Adding batteries to every trailer they have to extend range is not really that cost effective. Between the 4 of them I know that regularly work together, we are talking like 8 different trailers. Tongue weight is also as important when talking trailer weights as gross weight. You have to keep that in mind. I'd be more effective as a whole if we just had the infrastructure to support the use then try to bandaid EV vehicles and make them more costly and heavy.

Just so we are clear, you aren’t even talking about 4% of users. You are talking fractions of a percent of truck drivers.

Long term solutions need to be invented like I suggested or pay premiums for e-fuels. On a long enough timeline, there is no other choice.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Just so we are clear, you aren’t even talking about 4% of users. You are talking fractions of a percent of truck drivers.

Long term solutions need to be invented like I suggested or pay premiums for e-fuels. On a long enough timeline, there is no other choice.

Yes, some of the more necessary fractions of a percent of truck drivers that actually use their vehicle to its fullest capacity regularly and not just to tow an RV a couple times a year.

I'm not saying we don't wait for more solutions I am just saying currently there is not enough infrastructure to support more adoption among people who actually need these larger vehicles can't use them unless they have multiple vehicles for different use.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Yes, some of the more necessary fractions of a percent of truck drivers that actually use their vehicle to its fullest capacity regularly and not just to tow an RV a couple times a year.

I'm not saying we don't wait for more solutions I am just saying currently there is not enough infrastructure to support more adoption among people who actually need these larger vehicles can't use them unless they have multiple vehicles for different use.

The goal for schwab, Trudeau, and progressives in this country is to get us to submit to the idea even though the infrastructure is lacking. The shills are getting pushback, which must be frustrating but they'll come up with new statistics to support their agenda.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Yes, some of the more necessary fractions of a percent of truck drivers that actually use their vehicle to its fullest capacity regularly and not just to tow an RV a couple times a year.

I'm not saying we don't wait for more solutions I am just saying currently there is not enough infrastructure to support more adoption among people who actually need these larger vehicles can't use them unless they have multiple vehicles for different use.

Infrastructure will support the 99% before the 1%. It is like cellular service providers; there we be a few off grid without coverage, but 99% will be in coverage. There will likely be options for those using legacy vehicles.