New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

I've never felt manipulated into driving a car. I've never seen internal combustion as a political agenda, grouped in with gender switching and sexual immorality

What do you mean? It is right now.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by soundman98

is that 358 americans or 358 frenchmen?

More Americans in that 358 million tons.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

I have no problem with evs. It's the cow farts I'm concerned with. All that poisonous methane being produced. I'm sure gates and shwab are near a solution for that though. Maybe no more meat?

Sounds like the cows just need a better tune to me.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Having owned and tracked a 6.8 liter LS3 FD, I have to assume this is a sad, sad joke

I assumed the joke started at "forum dedicated to performance cars"

[weederr33]

I'm fine with ridding the planet of cows and never eating beef again. I do, however, love fish, chicken, and occasionally, lobster.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

I've never felt manipulated into driving a car.

I'm sure none of my road-hogging, view-blocking, gas-guzzling SUV and truck commuting brethren and sistren *feel* like they've been manipulated into driving the most fossil-fuel-consuming vehicles possible, but they kinda have been...

I've never seen internal combustion as a political agenda, grouped in with gender switching and sexual immorality

The gender-switching and "sexual immorality" of others is none of your business and doesn't affect you, unless you decide it should.

Others commuting in 5000-6000 lb behemoths *does*. Decades of inaction and encouraging of bigger/heavier vehicles is going to make the change more drastic/dramatic. But we *have* to reduce our CO2 emissions.

[Lantanafrs2]

"Decades of inaction"? Where have you been? Emissions regs have gotten tighter and tighter especially in furryfornia.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

"Decades of inaction"? Where have you been? Emissions regs have gotten tighter and tighter especially in furryfornia.

Knowing ZDan’s prior arguments, he is probably referring to the stance that there has been decades of policies and loopholes that have allowed trucks and SUVs to have a double standard on emissions, and that has only encouraged manufacturers to adopt more and more trucks/CUVs/SUVs that allow them to take advantage of these loopholes. The saying is that customers are driven to SUVs and trucks, but why? Most don’t tow, haul, go off-road or ever need AWD or 4WD, yet most overestimate how much they need these features and overestimate the safety/utility of these features despite evidence suggesting SUVs are less safe or that AWD is not necessary in many place almost all the time. The government didn’t have to make loopholes, and by making a double standard, it helped to get us here: giant polluting vehicles for the vast majority of people on the road.

Furries don’t have emissions. They use Foleys and dignity tubes.

[Arthur-A]

I hate SUVs, especially the crossover ones. One of the most retarded types of vehicles, made for soccermoms. Pickups and body on frame ones on general, well, some people actually need them. But then there are retards who buy them and never ever leave pavement or haul anything. That's kind of a problem.
For the most part, a wagon would be a much better solution for anyone needing extra space, and they actually have more usable space than these stupid SUVs while being the same size of a sedan. Plus they have way better mileage, better ride quality and handling.

[Arthur-A]

But still, people should be free to buy whatever vehicle they want, otherwise it'll be a turd-world totalitarian shithole.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

But still, people should be free to buy whatever vehicle they want, otherwise it'll be a turd-world totalitarian shithole.

I get the sentiment. It is shared by many and not uniquely American, but we especially value our freedoms in America.

With that said, our freedoms end on someone else’s lawn, and our freedoms don’t always mean we are free to do whatever with whatever, nor does our Amendments guarantee that we must have whatever products available for us to choose.

We can’t just crap wherever and dump our trash wherever, and we can’t all just go driving around in catless F350 duallies. And we can’t drive ICEs much longer from a natural resources perspective, from an economic perspective and from a logistics perspective. Our best solution is to transition to EVs sooner rather than later. Maybe along the way, we can still have some specialty ICEs, but the masses need to move to EVs, and for the most part, they will anyways, but now, the argument is that we need artificial demand from government to spur greater investment/innovations and support/infrastructure/supply until we get to the rise of the S curve of growth, and then things/adoption will happen naturally. Like how the automatic was adopted over the manual transmission because it made life easier and was better for the masses, the EV will grow to be far better for the masses.

The enthusiasts will have less choices, but they will likely still have some choices. If California can have smog exempt areas in the state and allow CARB superchargers and allow someone to go eight years in a new car before needing to smog their car then there will likely still be options for enthusiasts for places to live and for ICEs to buy. It might be different and harder and limited, but there will be the ability to buy whatever they want…from what’s available.

[alex87f]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

But still, people should be free to buy whatever vehicle they want, otherwise it'll be a turd-world totalitarian shithole.

Things are a lot less black & white than this I'm afraid.

Consumers' choices tend to be affected by short-term, relatively "narcissistic" interests ("hey, that truck makes me look manlier"), but that decision has far-reaching consequences for everyone, from a road safety, noise & air pollution or resources management standpoint. That's where regulations are needed, and where governments can take a more long-term approach than consumers are willing to.

Problem is, because some people can't buy what they want, they scream foul at the gubmint and shout "conspiracy!"

In any case, you already can't buy what you want. Want a jet engine strapped to a golf cart with spike wheels? Not gonna happen I'm afraid

[Wally86]

Originally Posted by alex87f

In any case, you already can't buy what you want. Want a jet engine strapped to a golf cart with spike wheels? Not gonna happen I'm afraid

I mean... in the states, you absolutely can have a jet powered golf cart.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

a much better solution for anyone needing extra space, and they actually have more usable space than these stupid SUVs while being the same size of a sedan. Plus they have way better mileage, better ride quality and handling.

I love a wagon, but it is not a better solution for anyone needing extra space, unless you only need wide, and not tall. That's why I own a Suburban.

By the way, our beloved 86 is just as "stupid" if you are looking at it as the perfect car. It gets mediocre gas mileage for it's size particularly compared to a hybrid, it isn't really a four person vehicle, and again unless you are hauling something more thick than a tire, you aren't going to get it in the trunk.