New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i'm more confused after reading that. it seems the official nccc rulebook still states that any vehicle with a lithium battery pack is prohibited from participating and must be kept a minimum of 30' away from anything else.

but then the official statement only really says e-ray's are welcome to participate. they don't seem to acknowledge the rules, or even seem to offer up how they'll be modifying the current ruleset later...

The way I read it was the eRay is OK because its a hybrid not pure EV, and it has completed the number of laps required for a hybrid.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

The way I read it was the eRay is OK because its a hybrid not pure EV, and it has completed the number of laps required for a hybrid.

that's what the person issuing the statement said, but then their rules specifically say "ev/hybrid" as the definition of what category the rules apply to.

unless they're saying their own rulebook doesn't apply, which would definitely lead to an interesting 2023 season!

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by soundman98

that's what the person issuing the statement said, but then their rules specifically say "ev/hybrid" as the definition of what category the rules apply to.

unless they're saying their own rulebook doesn't apply, which would definitely lead to an interesting 2023 season!

I've found that most people who write rules are the first to throw them out the window when they become inconvenient to themselves.

[soundman98]

Guess who's got an e-ray on preorder! Lol

[Lantanafrs2]

Imo the eray is okay because gm said it's ok.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Imo the eray is okay because gm said it's ok.

Didn't they say the same thing about the bolt before it erupted multiple times?

[Irace86.2.0]

More EV batteries being used for grid storage. Probably the best type of battery recycling that can be done until we get more battery recyclers in the market.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=723

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by soundman98

Didn't they say the same thing about the bolt before it erupted multiple times?

It was something like 0.006% of the fleet, compared to 0.07% of all vehicles. The main concern was it happened during charging, when vehicles are likely to be in a garage, etc. GM of course did the right thing by recalling them.

They also had a separate issue where several caught fire in an accident due to a pretensioner setting the carpet on fire. I had a similar thing happen in a 1977 Honda Civic where the muffler was not wrapped properly, and was in contact with the floorboard. It set the carpet on fire.

[Irace86.2.0]

Chinese Start-Up’s Breakthrough Battery Technology Defies Cold Climate

https://insideevs.com/news/670858/gr...ather-battery/

Chinese unicorn Greater Bay Technology, a subsidiary of China’s state-owned Guangzhou Automobile Group (GAC), claims to have the solution for what is arguably one of the biggest drawbacks of EV batteries – loss of range in cold weather.

The company’s Phoenix battery comprises superconducting materials and thermal management, which allow the battery to heat from -4 degrees Fahrenheit to 77F in five minutes, reported Bloomberg. Huang Xiangdong, co-founder and chairman of Great Bay Technology, claimed that the battery operates like normal and charges in under six minutes in all climates.

Greater Bay Technology surpassed a valuation of $1 billion within two years of its founding. It found early success in its first-generation battery cell, which reportedly charges in the same time as it takes for a gas car to refuel. Its battery can gain 124 miles range in just 5 minutes of charging and can go from 0-80 percent state of charge (SoC) in just 8 minutes. It seems to be fitted in the GAC Aion V LX Plus.

Seems to me that battery swapping would also be nice for not only different sized batteries, but for different type of battery chemistries. Like putting on a pair of winter tires, if someone doesn't live in the snow, but is going up to Lake Tahoe and wants a battery with chemistry that works better in the snow, then swapping to that battery might be good, assuming it wasn't ideal for every day in terms of price, charge time, performance, etc. Just an idea.

[Dadhawk]

Now that both Ford and GM have committed to using the NASC standard (the Tesla charger) in their future models, things are going to get interesting.

Probably time for Tesla to spin off the Supercharger Network into its own entity. It certainly should open up competition as "range anxiety" should disappear. Also, probably another nail in the coffin of the idea of battery swaps.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Now that both Ford and GM have committed to using the NASC standard (the Tesla charger) in their future models, things are going to get interesting.

Probably time for Tesla to spin off the Supercharger Network into its own entity. It certainly should open up competition as "range anxiety" should disappear. Also, probably another nail in the coffin of the idea of battery swaps.

Does Tesla provide the full supercharger experience to the other guys or is it throttled to a lower max for competitors (and only Tesla users get the maximum speeds)?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Does Tesla provide the full supercharger experience to the other guys or is it throttled to a lower max for competitors (and only Tesla users get the maximum speeds)?

With an adapter, it's slower, and would require the app to charge/pay. With a full on NACS plug in the vehicle it should be the same but Tesla will likely charge a premium for a non-Tesla car, as they do now on the few that have a Magic Dock.

Frankly, even if it only charges at 80% and there is an upcharge, the piece of mind of knowing the network is available will make road-tripping a lot less stressful.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Now that both Ford and GM have committed to using the NASC standard (the Tesla charger) in their future models, things are going to get interesting.

Probably time for Tesla to spin off the Supercharger Network into its own entity. It certainly should open up competition as "range anxiety" should disappear. Also, probably another nail in the coffin of the idea of battery swaps.

I think battery swapping will be late to the party like hydrogen, even if companies are doing battery swapping now. It is possible battery chemistry will get better and even more sustainable, but there are clear advantages to battery swapping. The price of batteries per kWh has not significantly dropped for a while; it is plateauing out, but say it gets to $150/kWh, this means that a 200 kWh battery in something like a Hummer is $30k of the price, 100kWh pack in a Tesla P100D is $15k, 50kWh in a Model 3 is $7.5k, and 25kWh is $3.75k. There might be a business model like Nio has done for getting someone into an EV for thousands less up front and with no concerns about battery degradation, range loss or warranty claims because the battery is still owned by the manufacture and just rented.

It all really depends on the future cost of batteries, the sustainability of each business model relative to government incentives, the speed of swapping vs charging, the chemistry of batteries to perform in all climates, the appeal of saving money up front and so on. For businesses/shipping, for motorsports, for trucks/hauling, etc swapping is going to be appealing until battery charging can get down to similar times to refueling. It would also open the market for far more people to EVs. There is still a chunk of society that will depend on swapping or plug-in hybrids with range extenders to meet their needs.


https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles...022-are-nearly

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Does Tesla provide the full supercharger experience to the other guys or is it throttled to a lower max for competitors (and only Tesla users get the maximum speeds)?

I see no reason why Tesla would intentionally limit or slow the charging speed below the capabilities of what a GM or Ford vehicle could charge because that would just delay these vehicles from vacating a spot. No one who has charged their non-Tesla EV using a Magic Dock has experienced limits in charging speeds or limits in charging duration or capacity.

I believe the experience would be equal to using the Magic Dock or even better because of the common connector and integration of Tesla software. I think the big difference over the Magic Dock is that GM and Ford are having access to all Tesla's supercharger locations/chargers, which greatly improves access to chargers, and GM and Ford will gain access to Tesla's connection and user interface to quickly pay/charge and to find a supercharger, which is very robust. It might be only available on IOS and Android devices, or it could be integrated into GM's and Ford's OS. Tesla's maps show supercharger stations, show how many chargers are at each location, how many are available for use, tells users how busy the stations get depending on the time of day, and it will seamlessly route a person on a trip to the ideal charging stations, while getting them to their destination. At the same time, Tesla knows who is going to each station, so it can make recommendations.