New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/26/2...-affordable-ev


GM killing off the Bolt, rip

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/26/2...-affordable-ev


GM killing off the Bolt, rip

Yeah, too bad, but the people have spoken, and they want giant trucks and not small, affordable cars, and there are investors to consider--capitalism, right?

Barra said it was in order to shift operations at its assembly plant in Orion Township, Mich., toward the production of two electric trucks: the GMC Sierra EV and the Chevy Silverado EV.

"We'll need this capacity because our trucks more than measure up to our customers' expectations, and we'll demonstrate that work and EV range are not mutually exclusive terms for Chevrolet and GMC trucks," Barra told investors.

Though GM relies heavily on sales from gas- and diesel-powered trucks and SUVs, the company announced two years ago that it was setting a goal of producing only electric vehicles by the year 2035.

"When the Chevrolet Bolt EV launched, it was a huge technical achievement and the first affordable EV, which set in motion GM's all-electric future," GM spokesperson Cody Williams told NPR via email.

Now the company is shifting gears, turning some of those popular trucks into EVs and launching other electric models later this year, including the Chevy Blazer EV and the Chevy Equinox EV, Williams added.

When GM's Orion assembly plant reopens in 2024 and reaches full production capacity, Barra said in the call with investors, jobs will nearly triple there and the company will be able to build 600,000 electric trucks each year.

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/26/11721...vehicle-ending

[Dadhawk]

Well, that's what she said, but really it's being replaced by the Equinox EV so they can get the Ultium battery in the bottom level car, and it can DCFS. I really think they didn't want to re-engineer the Bolt for that.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Yeah, too bad, but the people have spoken, and they want giant trucks and not small, affordable cars, and there are investors to consider--capitalism, right?





https://www.npr.org/2023/04/26/11721...vehicle-ending

Thank God. I wouldn't want it any other way

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Yeah, too bad, but the people have spoken, and they want giant trucks and not small, affordable cars, and there are investors to consider--capitalism, right?

CAFE regs are skewed to favor trucks/SUVs over cars, and also to favor *larger* cars over smaller. Automakers find it easier to meet regs with bigger, less-efficient vehicles. Level the CAFE across the board, make it more stringent every year, and we'll get a lot more reasonable size/weight vehicles on the road and fewer monsters.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, that's what she said, but really it's being replaced by the Equinox EV so they can get the Ultium battery in the bottom level car, and it can DCFS. I really think they didn't want to re-engineer the Bolt for that.

Why do you say that? Seems like they could build any new gen compact with a similar shell and call it a Bolt. I see no reasons why they would be able to build a new, EV Equinox, but would be stuck reengineering and retrofitting a new powertrain to the old Bolt.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Thank God. I wouldn't want it any other way

I always thank God for capitalism too and for God to save capitalism from capitalism.

https://fortune.com/2023/04/05/end-o...orate-profits/

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I always thank God for capitalism too and for God to save capitalism from capitalism.

https://fortune.com/2023/04/05/end-o...orate-profits/

Agreed, except for the first clause.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by ZDan

CAFE regs are skewed to favor trucks/SUVs over cars, and also to favor *larger* cars over smaller. Automakers find it easier to meet regs with bigger, less-efficient vehicles. Level the CAFE across the board, make it more stringent every year, and we'll get a lot more reasonable size/weight vehicles on the road and fewer monsters.

Are we really going back to this conversation? People are choosing to buy these vehicles. Like yes, CAFE standards aren't as strict for SUVs and light duty trucks than cars, but heavier vehicles are harder to make efficient too, so either way, it is hard on manufactures. They are selling SUVs and trucks because people want to buy them, and because there is greater profit margin on selling larger vehicles with larger engines and with more stuff. Every industry is trying to upsell you to a larger and more expensive version of the same thing whether we are talking about a double cheese Whopper with XL soda or your 75" TV with 8K resolution.

CAFE standards will likely evolve to apply to EVS, but all EVs meet CAFE standards. Even the Hummer EV gets 52 MPGe, so manufactures could sell only Hummer EVs and not pay a CAFE fine. Discontinuing the Bolt for EV trucks is just good business for them--more money in their pockets. It would also remove more ICE trucks off the road, which do emit more emissions, so by replacing the Bolt with the EV trucks, they are making more money, reducing the fines they might be paying on the trucks and reducing emissions more. Sounds like a win/win, even if it is less than optimal.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Why do you say that? Seems like they could build any new gen compact with a similar shell and call it a Bolt. I see no reasons why they would be able to build a new, EV Equinox, but would be stuck reengineering and retrofitting a new powertrain to the old Bolt.

It is pretty much the consensus on several forums I read. They could do what you said but the Bolt didn't meet their sales projections primarily based on it's looks, and the Equinox is closer to what sells these days.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

It is pretty much the consensus on several forums I read. They could do what you said but the Bolt didn't meet their sales projections primarily based on it's looks, and the Equinox is closer to what sells these days.

Yeah so basically exactly what she said. Big trucks and SUVs will sell better, so better to repurpose the space for those than the Bolt.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Yeah so basically exactly what she said. Big trucks and SUVs will sell better, so better to repurpose the space for those than the Bolt.

The Equinox is not really a big truck, although I suppose it is an SUV. The Bolt wasn't exactly a car either though.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Are we really going back to this conversation? People are choosing to buy these vehicles. Like yes, CAFE standards aren't as strict for SUVs and light duty trucks than cars, but heavier vehicles are harder to make efficient too, so either way, it is hard on manufactures.

2+2 = 4, it's that simple.

Domestics have had trouble selling *cars*, an easier time selling *trucks and SUVs*. So EPA regs have been skewed to favor trucks/SUVs. Likewise, domestics prefer to build bigger cars, and bigger trucks, so larger-footprint vehicles get breaks as well. This is one reason *cars*, and particularly smaller cars, and also smaller trucks are disappearing.

If you don't think that these regs have affected what kinds of cars manufacturers build for and sell in the U.S., you might think about it a little more...

It's beyond absurd that half the vehicles I see on my commute to workie are HUGE trucks and SUVs while CO2 continues to climb. Stupid...

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Why do you say that? Seems like they could build any new gen compact with a similar shell and call it a Bolt. I see no reasons why they would be able to build a new, EV Equinox, but would be stuck reengineering and retrofitting a new powertrain to the old Bolt.

I dunno what platform the bolt is on but the Equinox EV is on its own dedicated EV platform (Ultium) is it not? That probably helps keeps the costs down. Look what Toyota had to do, they didnt do a good job of making an EV transition platform (E-TNGA) or even use it all that well and now they're fast tracking a pure dedicated EV platform for next gen EV use. ANd alot of this is due to how Tesla manufacturers an EV....aside from cost cutting to shit they dont have to share anything in an ICE counterpart, so they're not restricted by ICE packaging.

GM was and is still losing money on every Bolt were they not?
Besides, small cars dont sell in the N/A market anymore (Which the Bolt is...and dont care how many EV nutjobs cry about how the Bolt is the cheapest EV out there...not everyone wants a Bolt or can use its size, especially in North America) so getting an Equinox sized CUV/SUV is probably automatically better for the bottom line and sales numbers.