New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Irace86.2.0]

Biden to remake U.S. auto industry with toughest emissions limits ever

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clima...rules-climate/

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Biden to remake U.S. auto industry with toughest emissions limits ever

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clima...rules-climate/

At least the proposed rules don't specifically call for EV sales, but only meeting certain fleet emissions criteria. I think its a little disingenuous that the headlines "require" 67% EV sales in the future even if that is the "easy" path.

[Lantanafrs2]

Wear your mask when driving alone and use proper pronouns when conversing with the drag queens at the charging stations

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Wear your mask when driving alone and use proper pronouns when conversing with the drag queens at the charging stations

Those are drag royalty BTW

[ZDan]

Best thing we could do is not give bigger cars and especially big trucks/SUVs a break on fuel economy. The rules as they are now incentivize companies to not make/sell smaller cars, but to build/sell more gas-guzzling view-blocking lane-hogging ridiculously outsized tanks of vehicles. Fricking absurd...

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

At least the proposed rules don't specifically call for EV sales, but only meeting certain fleet emissions criteria. I think its a little disingenuous that the headlines "require" 67% EV sales in the future even if that is the "easy" path.

I think you were projecting.

Proposed rules could lead to 67 percent of all car and truck sales being EVs by 2032, EPA says, but some automakers are wary of the timeline

[MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Wear your mask when driving alone and use proper pronouns when conversing with the drag queens at the charging stations

room temperature iq

[Lantanafrs2]

^drag royalty would agree

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I think you were projecting.

No I just read more than one article with titles like

E.P.A. Lays Out Rules to Turbocharge Sales of Electric Cars and Trucks

Biden looks to boost EV sales with plan to cut vehicle emissions

There are many others.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

No I just read more than one article with titles like

E.P.A. Lays Out Rules to Turbocharge Sales of Electric Cars and Trucks

Biden looks to boost EV sales with plan to cut vehicle emissions

There are many others.

i'm still not crazy about the thought that all these climate conversations are "EV or we all DIE" i guess i'm just waiting for the other foot to drop when/where we learn that something about lithium cuts birth rates or something. like what happened with that miracle asbestos stuff.

and i'm not at all convinced that we have enough natural resources to support 67% market share of EV's.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

No I just read more than one article with titles like

E.P.A. Lays Out Rules to Turbocharge Sales of Electric Cars and Trucks

Biden looks to boost EV sales with plan to cut vehicle emissions

There are many others.

Seems like the headlines and articles are pretty clear. I don't see anything saying EVs will be directly required, even if EVs are the only way to hit those goals.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i'm still not crazy about the thought that all these climate conversations are "EV or we all DIE" i guess i'm just waiting for the other foot to drop when/where we learn that something about lithium cuts birth rates or something. like what happened with that miracle asbestos stuff.

and i'm not at all convinced that we have enough natural resources to support 67% market share of EV's.

I think every industry is being overhauled off fossil fuels. There isn't much that that is off the table. Most of it is happening behind the scenes. The biggest thing that is in your face would be cars and food, but both of those are harder to sell to consumers than whether they get their electricity from coal or wind. Currently the focus is on cars because they are more likely to change that behavior than diet behavior, but that will come eventually too.

What scarce natural resources would limit EV sales?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Seems like the headlines and articles are pretty clear. I don't see anything saying EVs will be directly required, even if EVs are the only way to hit those goals.

Different prospective I guess. Headlines, to which I was referring, always have some level of slant to them for the most part so no real surprise. I agree the articles for the most part lay it out correctly.

[WolfpackS2k]

I'm pretty sure there isn't enough lithium on the planet to supply enough EVs for everyone. However I don't think that will matter as by the time there's widespread adoption (10+ years from now) battery tech will have moved on and other elements will be required.

The silver bullet is a next gen battery that relies only on common elements, making it thus easy to acquire and won't require massive habitat destruction to source.