Visconti Tuning - Latest BRZ Flash Info

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by jeebus

ecuTek is overcharging for the license. You guys are overcharging for the tune. The cable is vastly overpriced.

Just sayin.

Should be more like $150 -license, $250 -tune, $150 -cable.

There's plenty of profit margin in there.

If you don't like the tuning solution, design your own hardware, write your own programming, learn all the ins and outs of complex OEM engine management (much more complex than your average standalone) gain access to a dyno and tune it your self,


then come back and tell us how much YOU want for this service.

John is offering a gain of real WHP in the first 6 months of car availability, with the OEM hardware, if you don't recognize that as an accomplishment worth the money asked (which is actually quite reasonable) then feel free not to buy it (or post anymore about it)

[Gen]

Originally Posted by jeebus

ecuTek is overcharging for the license. You guys are overcharging for the tune. The cable is vastly overpriced.

Just sayin.

Should be more like $150 -license, $250 -tune, $150 -cable.

There's plenty of profit margin in there.

You have to consider break even costs as well. I doubt he receives a significant portion of the license and cable cost, so if he spent 500 hours learning the software and developing a tune and he's only projecting to sell 30 tunes in the next six months, he has to make it worth his while.

Almost all companies charge more initially to take advantage of (for lack of a better phrase) the early adopters. The price falls as demand stalls over the long run.

Is it more than I'd be willing to pay for a NA tune? Yes, because I plan to be going FI and I wouldn't want to void my warranty for a dozen or so extra horsepower, but I think the total price is fairly reasonable for being first to market.

[tonystewart]

Price is fine for me, how do I go about getting a flash for my daughters automatic FRS in South Florida?

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by mike2100

In general terms (i.e. without disclosing proprietary info) can you talk about what tuning you did for other-than-WOT conditions? I mean I know basic tuning is air:fuel ratio and timing adjustments. Anything else?

Additionally, I agree with the theory that stock tuning doesn't maximize power for emissions reasons. I think there are 2 specific reasons: 1) minimize emissions and 2) protect the catalytic converters from accelerated deterioration. I wonder if there's any more to that story...

I think that's the whole story pretty much. Running richer at WOT increases emissions, but the OEM would rather do that transiently than have the cats die early.

[jpit]

Explain to me how Uprev (which also has a great software reputation) is able to do all the research and put a Nissan on a dyno for a custom tune for $600? Frankly a canned tune can be a hit or miss proposition.

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by jpit

Explain to me how Uprev (which also has a great software reputation) is able to do all the research and put a Nissan on a dyno for a custom tune for $600? Frankly a canned tune can be a hit or miss proposition.

I wish EcuTek had a price point like Uprev, I mention this to them all the time. They have cables for $150, license is $300.

When you wholesale the cable is like $75-100, and license cost is $150.. This allows a tuner like me to make more money.

That being said having used both products I can tell you that EcuTek's product is on a entirely different level than the UpRev.

The custom RaceRom code that EcuTek is writing is going to blow your mind.

EcuTek won't be the solution for everyone, but I think it will be for most.

John

[Spaceywilly]

If you want it cheaper just wait. The cable for my WRX was $100 and the software and tune was free. This was 8 years after it came out. You have to pay more to be an early adopter. This should be common sense.

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

If you want it cheaper just wait. The cable for my WRX was $100 and the software and tune was free. This was 8 years after it came out. You have to pay more to be an early adopter. This should be common sense.

Yup, th3 newer version of that cable costs $200 now.. There are $30 eBay options now too.

What most people don't know is that free software contains stolen stuff from commercial companys !

At the time of the release the software was free to use but there was only one cable to use... Theirs - not so free

That free software also supports BMW and Mini Cooper tuning now - under a different name and costs $$$

Most people or companys don't do things for free in this world.

That being said I'm all for other flashing options.

But I'm pretty sure it won't be free

John

[EvoXDD]

I really wish this stuff would go open source and use the tactrix cable and allow home tuners like myself to tune our own cars.

Any chance in your opinion that there will be an open source scene like on the evos and STI's?

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by EvoXDD

I really wish this stuff would go open source and use the tactrix cable and allow home tuners like myself to tune our own cars.

Any chance in your opinion that there will be an open source scene like on the evos and STI's?

It takes a lot longer for that stuff to come out because nobody likes working for free. Eventually there might be but I'm not holding my breath. As John said above the guys who did the open source stuff for the STI and EVO are not doing it for free anymore. The best bet for now will be to wait for the end user tuning solution from ecutek, but I won't be holding my breath for that either.

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by EvoXDD

I really wish this stuff would go open source and use the tactrix cable and allow home tuners like myself to tune our own cars.

Any chance in your opinion that there will be an open source scene like on the evos and STI's?

It's a completely different ecu.

The guys doing the free stuff are defining the roms, not figuring out how to flash them.

I don't see Ecuflash supporting this for a long time

[fenton]

Can you tell us about the autoblip feature Visconti?

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

It takes a lot longer for that stuff to come out because nobody likes working for free. Eventually there might be but I'm not holding my breath. As John said above the guys who did the open source stuff for the STI and EVO are not doing it for free anymore. The best bet for now will be to wait for the end user tuning solution from ecutek, but I won't be holding my breath for that either.

EcuTek has had talks about end user tuning, it's in the pipe line.

Email sales@ecutek.com and let them know you want it. They will most likely respond with something boring but if you guys continue to ask i think it'll happen faster

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Visconti

The tune wont be for everyone - but that is the price.

EcuTek License - $250
EcuTek Cable - $350
Tune - $350

-John

If we get this from you, and then upgrade parts later and need a re-tune, would that only be the $350 tuning fee, since we already have the license and cable?