Expert prognosis for the planet

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

I'll believe it when I'll see a real mass produced car with this tech. Why not?

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Whether these quotes we legit or taken out of context doesn’t matter, but these quotes illustrate a difference between healthy, open-minded skepticism and people who are over-confident or are naw sayers. There is nothing wrong with saying, “I’ll believe it when I see it,” and there is nothing wrong with pointing out concerns. There is a stark difference between that and people who vehemently deny anthropogenic climate change in the face of so much scientific evidence and scientific consensus when they offer zero evidence or pseudo-counter-evidence. Then it is a globe-Earther vs flat-Earther type of debate.

The other issue is that when change happens, things always get worse before they get better. It is a rule in science, and it is a rule for life. We realistically can’t expect to go from A to B perfectly/overnight, as if we could wait until after the technology and infrastructure exists. Investment won’t happen on its own. Technology breakthroughs don’t happen without mandates and demand/interest. We can’t go from zero electric cars to full electric. That just isn’t realistic. Along the way, technology will need to continue to develop. Imagine if we went from five huge computers in the world in the 1950’s to waiting for the iPhone to come out before we sold anything in between or something.

[Arthur-A]

I'm just sick and tired of that fear mongering bulshit about the climate change. I think it's overly exaggerated, especially the role of cars in it. And when some clown politician proposes to ban ICEs by 20xx year that's just ridiculous. Bitch, go fix your rolling blackouts first, you moron, lol.
And why banning? If it's so great, why do you want to force everyone to use it? Wouldn't people want to switch themselves? I know why. Because they are just a bunch of autocratic psychopaths. "Green fanatics" like someone called them.
Changes should improve life instead of introducing pain in the ass.

Anyway, I don't think the ICE engines are going away anytime soon, like some ev cult adepts wet dreaming about. It's just their noise is annoying sometimes.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

I'm just sick and tired of that fear mongering [1] bulshit [2] about the climate change. I think it's overly exaggerated [3], especially the role of cars in it [4]. And when some clown politician proposes to ban ICEs by 20xx year that's just ridiculous [5]. Bitch, go fix your rolling blackouts first, you moron, lol.
And why banning? If it's so great, why do you want to force everyone to use it? [6] Wouldn't people want to switch themselves? I know why. Because they are just a bunch of autocratic psychopaths [6]. "Green fanatics" like someone called them.
Changes should improve life instead of introducing pain in the ass. [7]
Anyway, I don't think the ICE engines are going away anytime soon [8], like some ev cult adepts wet dreaming about. It's just their noise is annoying sometimes.

1/ Some parts of the USA are prone to tornadoes. When the news urges people to evacuate is that just fear mongering?
2/ As already mentioned there is much evidence pointing to towards anthropomorphic climate change.
3/ Based on what?
4/ I think cars are overly represented in popular media for the case for reducing CO2 because I think it is an easy target.
5/ Politics is unavoidable, inescapable. It is my hypothesis that in any organization politics is evident.
6/ When seat belts were first introduced in the US some people wouldn't wear them because it imposed upon them. Go figure.
7/ Life isn't always like that.
8/ I agree.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

I'm just sick and tired of that fear mongering bulshit about the climate change. I think it's overly exaggerated, especially the role of cars in it. And when some clown politician proposes to ban ICEs by 20xx year that's just ridiculous. Bitch, go fix your rolling blackouts first, you moron, lol.
And why banning? If it's so great, why do you want to force everyone to use it? Wouldn't people want to switch themselves? I know why. Because they are just a bunch of autocratic psychopaths. "Green fanatics" like someone called them.
Changes should improve life instead of introducing pain in the ass.

Anyway, I don't think the ICE engines are going away anytime soon, like some ev cult adepts wet dreaming about. It's just their noise is annoying sometimes.

By what criteria are you deciding that it is overly exaggerated?

Car emissions are one of many things that need to change, but YOU hear about it because it is about modifying YOUR behavior. You probably don't hear about industries needing to modify their emissions because you don't own a factory, but they have their own changes they are making to be net zero. In fact, you may have heard certain companies bragging about being carbon neutral. You may have noticed many countries moving to renewable energy. You may be aware of programs to improve insulation in homes or switching to Energy Star appliances or for grants for home solar.



Just to restate the mandate: the California plan is to have all new car sales be ICE by 2035, and I believe Biden said 50% of new car sales by 2030. About 6% of cars on the road are new, so 3% by 2030 for Biden's plan and 6% new by 2035 for Newsom's plan. Biden's plan is more aggressive. Meanwhile, China's already at 22% and Norway is at 78% of new car sales. At 6% by 2035, it would take 15-20 years, so 2050-2055 before all new car sales were electric. It'll probably happen faster than that.

Blackouts can be from an energy deficit, but we have them here for other reasons like to reduce fire risks on windy nights. California also has energy surplus or moments when it gets all its power from renewables alone, so it just as issues with peak usage when renewables aren't at their peaks, so yes, we need more energy, but some of that is due to loss of solar in the morning or at night, which could come from grid storage in the future. The US has increased its energy grid size at a far faster rate than current growth because it was needed, so if we wanted to, we could expand energy infrastructure even faster, but we need to do it in proportion to the rise in usage, so we aren't just waisting power or not running power plants.

The government has needed to ban all types of chemicals and toxins that have been responsible for cancer, birth defects, diseases, etc. Humans aren't necessarily going to choose the healthiest or best things, which is why we have laws. We have speed limits, laws for emission components on cars, laws for safety components, laws against leaded fuel, etc. I really don't get how this is a surprise that they would need to mandate zero emission vehicles. It seems like a logical progression in the course of automotive history. Are you saying people should be able to buy a car without emission components, mufflers, safety equipment or crash safety standards if they want?

I think ICEs are going out a lot faster than you think they will. The masses would prefer to drive an iPhone that recharges, doesn't need maintenance, is quiet, just gets from A to B in the easiest way. Most could care less about ICEs or how the car is powered as long as it is affordable, easy and reliable, and EVs will be cheaper, easier and more reliable in the future, but it might take a mandate to get us there.

[Irace86.2.0]

NASA Solid-State Battery Is Lighter & More Powerful

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/10/11...more-powerful/

Instead of housing each individual battery cell inside its own steel casing the way conventional lithium-ion batteries do, all the cells in SABERS’s battery can be stacked vertically inside one casing. Thanks in part to this novel design, SABERS has demonstrated that its solid-state batteries can power have an energy density of 500 watt-hours per kilogram — double that of a traditional electric car battery. [It should be noted that Samsung say it also has a solid-state battery with a high energy density.]

“Not only does this design eliminate 30 to 40 percent of the battery’s weight, it also allows us to double or even triple the energy it can store, far exceeding the capabilities of lithium-ion batteries that are considered to be the state of the art,” Viggiano said.

Safety is another key requirement for the use of batteries in electric aircraft. Unlike liquid batteries, solid-state batteries do not catch fire when they malfunction and can still operate when damaged, making them attractive for use in aviation.

SABERS researchers have tested their battery under different pressures and temperatures, and have found it can operate in temperatures nearly twice as hot as lithium-ion batteries without as much cooling technology. The team is continuing to test it under even hotter conditions. Not surprisingly, this research has generated substantial interest from government, industry, and academia.

[DrinkenBRZ]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

By what criteria are you deciding that it is overly exaggerated?

Car emissions are one of many things that need to change, but YOU hear about it because it is about modifying YOUR behavior. You probably don't hear about industries needing to modify their emissions because you don't own a factory, but they have their own changes they are making to be net zero. In fact, you may have heard certain companies bragging about being carbon neutral. You may have noticed many countries moving to renewable energy. You may be aware of programs to improve insulation in homes or switching to Energy Star appliances or for grants for home solar.



Just to restate the mandate: the California plan is to have all new car sales be ICE by 2035, and I believe Biden said 50% of new car sales by 2030. About 6% of cars on the road are new, so 3% by 2030 for Biden's plan and 6% new by 2035 for Newsom's plan. Biden's plan is more aggressive. Meanwhile, China's already at 22% and Norway is at 78% of new car sales. At 6% by 2035, it would take 15-20 years, so 2050-2055 before all new car sales were electric. It'll probably happen faster than that.

Blackouts can be from an energy deficit, but we have them here for other reasons like to reduce fire risks on windy nights. California also has energy surplus or moments when it gets all its power from renewables alone, so it just as issues with peak usage when renewables aren't at their peaks, so yes, we need more energy, but some of that is due to loss of solar in the morning or at night, which could come from grid storage in the future. The US has increased its energy grid size at a far faster rate than current growth because it was needed, so if we wanted to, we could expand energy infrastructure even faster, but we need to do it in proportion to the rise in usage, so we aren't just waisting power or not running power plants.

The government has needed to ban all types of chemicals and toxins that have been responsible for cancer, birth defects, diseases, etc. Humans aren't necessarily going to choose the healthiest or best things, which is why we have laws. We have speed limits, laws for emission components on cars, laws for safety components, laws against leaded fuel, etc. I really don't get how this is a surprise that they would need to mandate zero emission vehicles. It seems like a logical progression in the course of automotive history. Are you saying people should be able to buy a car without emission components, mufflers, safety equipment or crash safety standards if they want?

I think ICEs are going out a lot faster than you think they will. The masses would prefer to drive an iPhone that recharges, doesn't need maintenance, is quiet, just gets from A to B in the easiest way. Most could care less about ICEs or how the car is powered as long as it is affordable, easy and reliable, and EVs will be cheaper, easier and more reliable in the future, but it might take a mandate to get us there.

This is funny. I was just reading today that CA’s mandate is illegal and is being challenged as such as is Biden’s push of the EPA to go by the same model. I see this getting tossed until more reasonably thought out. The general public is now spooked by electric cars given that Europe’s not well thought out push to green energy (that really just amounted to soiling someone else’s back yard instead of their own) went over like a fart in a phone booth. Until peoples well-being and freedom isn’t infringed on this is going nowhere fast. Not saying it isn’t the way of the future, just not under the current tact of implementation.

Don’t you feel the least bit hypocritical participating in an ICE forum with such polar opposite beliefs?

[Irace86.2.0]

Vertical farming is cool, but now there is sharp shooting weeds to reduce pesticide use.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by DrinkenBRZ

This is funny. I was just reading today that CA’s mandate is illegal and is being challenged as such as is Biden’s push of the EPA to go by the same model. I see this getting tossed until more reasonably thought out. The general public is now spooked by electric cars given that Europe’s not well thought out push to green energy (that really just amounted to soiling someone else’s back yard instead of their own) went over like a fart in a phone booth. Until peoples well-being and freedom isn’t infringed on this is going nowhere fast. Not saying it isn’t the way of the future, just not under the current tact of implementation.

Don’t you feel the least bit hypocritical participating in an ICE forum with such polar opposite beliefs?

We will see what happens. Pending a change of office, I can't see things changing much. Besides the governments, manufactures have pledged to move to EVs imposing their own timelines. Many of them are investing heavily in EVs, if not for California or the US, for other markets. Currently, the demand for EVs is greater than supplies, so I don't really see people being spooked. Again, most people want to go from A to B in a cheap, quiet and reliable way. The EV tech is moving fast. Once a sodium sulfur or solid state battery hits the market that increases range several fold and/or reduces the cost to being cheaper than ICEs, the change will be swift. These mandates are probably unnecessary, except that they are partially driving investment and innovation in the field of battery technology highlighted in their thread.

The government has plenty of hands to play that are legal to encourage EV adoption by manufactures and buyers. They could remove the loophole for different CAFE standards for light duty trucks, or reclassify non-work trucks, SUVs and CUVs specifically. They could remove the exemption of the gas guzzler tax for SUVs and trucks and push the tax up to a higher standard.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3abk...ot-called-cars

https://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/gas-...r-tax#vehicles

This isn't an ICE forum. This is a car forum that happens to have an ICE engine for the powertrain. It could have a hybrid or EV powertrain in the future for the third generation, in which case, it won't turn into an EV forum.

My first car in the 90's was a 61 Valiant, so the idea of having a classic car with outdated technology for enthusiasts existing alongside new cars is not a foreign idea to me, so I really don't see ICEs going away for enthusiasts like I don't see classic cars going away. If people are still driving the original Model T around after over a hundred years then I doubt ICEs are going away for enthusiasts, and like how you really don't see too many 60's cars on the road, classic cars will probably always be around, as long as there is an infrastructure for refueling them. It is like rich people saying the government should raise taxes on rich people. I can be for ICEs and also be for progress and green solutions at the same time. Would I prefer to drive a manual, light weight, RWD, sports car? Yes, and it would be nice if the engine had the sound and character of different types of ICE cars, but I would be fine with a classic car over a new car or with an enthusiast minded EV. It just isn't so important that my desire for that should supersede the need for mankind to move to cleaner and renewable transportation.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Vertical farming is cool, but now there is sharp shooting weeds to reduce pesticide use.

That's some cool stuff right there. Won't help the small scale farmer, but for the large scale farms this seems like it would be a game changer.

[Irace86.2.0]

I thought this hotel was pretty cool. It uses solar, regen on elevators, batter storage, cat5, isolation techniques, etc to get to net zero energy use.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I thought this hotel was pretty cool. It uses solar, regen on elevators, batter storage, cat5, isolation techniques, etc to get to net zero energy use.

I particularly like the lighting, using CAT5. It makes perfect sense since most light fixtures are now LED. I wouldn't retrofit a home with it but I could see it being valuable on new home construction, or a remodel. You still need some full AC but I would say 80% of what is in my home could be handled by POE.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I thought this hotel was pretty cool. It uses solar, regen on elevators, batter storage, cat5, isolation techniques, etc to get to net zero energy use.

they really brushed over this, but it piqued my interest, so i started digging. i'm disappointed.

a. they're only using poe for the blinds, and some control stuff. somewhat typical "connected home" stuff.

b. the voltserver lineup specifically requires 18gauge twisted pair, that is well outside any CAT specification. but it does fall under low voltage wiring categories. this to me is the massive red flag. the video indicated all lighting, switches, and blinds ran off cat6 cable.

c. i can't locate product sheets for the voltserver gear, but we all know it's not 100% efficient...

some new and novel concepts, but voltserver requires a sender and receiver unit for each volt packet. that inherently makes it cost-prohibitive for typical housing. they really need to partner with some lighting brands to really get serious buy-in to the tech.

not to mention, it's a proprietary standard that only they comply with. it works for them, but does anyone even remember control4 anymore? how about ge's take on low voltage lighting control?
http://kyleswitchplates.blogspot.com...ge-switch.html

honestly, i just did some hue lighting control stuff for a customer--their request. it wires funky, but it's on the zigbee control standard, and has a ton of various manufacturers/brands in it. that has a much better chance of sticking around than this voltserver crap.

and even worse, if voltserver goes out of business in 5 years, this guy is now stuck paying millions to change/convert the entire building to a different standard...

[Z06ZN6]

I would consider the creator of this planet to be the expert on this subject. Here's what he had to say:
"While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease." (Genesis 8:22).

43 pages, sheesh, I'll go worry about something else.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Z06ZN6

I would consider the creator of this planet to be the expert on this subject. Here's what he had to say:
"While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease." (Genesis 8:22).

43 pages, sheesh, I'll go worry about something else.

Would that be the Flying Spaghetti Monster creator of this planet, or were you referring to a different deity?

This planet will be slowly engulfed my the sun, as the sun expands, and before that, it will be uninhabitable and miserably hot all the time before the planet is eventually destroyed, so nothing said there is profound or accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_Earth