Manual vs Auto MPGs

[jadewbj]

To say there is no performance advantage on the FRS with a manual is flat out crazy.

From what I read 0-60 is 7.3 for 6MT and 8.0 for 6AT. 1/4mi is 15.6 for 6MT and 16.1 6AT.

Every tenth of a second on a 1/4 mile time is roughly a car length at the end of the race. A 6MT would look like it destroyed the Auto by 5 cars.

It's not like they are using a SMG tranny like the bmws do. Where it is basically real manual that is operated mechanically via paddles and a computer. In those cars there is no performance advantage, in fact the SMG can actually shift faster than a human with a stick.

The problem is you feel "disconnected" with the driving experience.

[jarviz]

IS there anyway to keep the long term MPG that we've been keeping, but also measure the MPG just for the next trip?

[Synack]

Originally Posted by jadewbj

To say there is no performance advantage on the FRS with a manual is flat out crazy.

From what I read 0-60 is 7.3 for 6MT and 8.0 for 6AT. 1/4mi is 15.6 for 6MT and 16.1 6AT.

Every tenth of a second on a 1/4 mile time is roughly a car length at the end of the race. A 6MT would look like it destroyed the Auto by 5 cars.

It's not like they are using a SMG tranny like the bmws do. Where it is basically real manual that is operated mechanically via paddles and a computer. In those cars there is no performance advantage, in fact the SMG can actually shift faster than a human with a stick.

The problem is you feel "disconnected" with the driving experience.

Yeah the reading you did were from some super slow driving people. Actually 0-60 times for MT are closer to 6.3.

[rock]

Originally Posted by jarviz

IS there anyway to keep the long term MPG that we've been keeping, but also measure the MPG just for the next trip?

I use fuelly.com

[jadewbj]

Originally Posted by Synack

Yeah the reading you did were from some super slow driving people. Actually 0-60 times for MT are closer to 6.3.

I guess you were right.

Motortrend has it at 6.2 with a 14.8 quarter for the MT. It's tough to find a magazine test of the auto, apparently nobody thinks anyone will buy one.

[serith]

Originally Posted by jadewbj

I guess you were right.

Motortrend has it at 6.2 with a 14.8 quarter for the MT. It's tough to find a magazine test of the auto, apparently nobody thinks anyone will buy one.

It is technically a "sports car" (even if it is entry-level). Not to hate on AT owners (there's nothing wrong with your decision), but it's more likely that owners will prefer to row their own.

[janesoreal]

Originally Posted by 4thehorde4

If there is no performance or fuel efficient reason to get manual, whats the point anymore?

To be in control of the power? idk about you, but thats why I got MT.

[janesoreal]

Originally Posted by kramerica_industries

I took a trip from Chicago to Iron Mountain, Michigan and back this weekend. Mostly highway driving (65-75 mph) with some slowdowns for construction and traffic. Posting a pic of my two+ tank trip avg. mpg upon return to Chicago. I was blown away. And I have the MT!Attachment 11541

NIIIIICE!

[Boosted2.0]

Originally Posted by Buggy51

Out of curiosity, how is everyone actually calculating their MPG?

Based on however many miles they driven and calculated by hand by comparing what you just filled in the gas station? Or what?

I'm not too fond of trusting the onboard computer

I have done gallons / miles as well as using the computer and I found the computer to be spot on.

The trick is you have to use the same exact gas pump and stop filling at one click. Different stations and even different pumps at the same station can have different fill rates which will affect the off click. If you don't use teh same pump gallons / miles only really starts to become close to accurate if you average multiple tank fulls. (the more the better)

[Boosted2.0]

Originally Posted by jadewbj

To say there is no performance advantage on the FRS with a manual is flat out crazy.

From what I read 0-60 is 7.3 for 6MT and 8.0 for 6AT. 1/4mi is 15.6 for 6MT and 16.1 6AT.

Every tenth of a second on a 1/4 mile time is roughly a car length at the end of the race. A 6MT would look like it destroyed the Auto by 5 cars.

It's not like they are using a SMG tranny like the bmws do. Where it is basically real manual that is operated mechanically via paddles and a computer. In those cars there is no performance advantage, in fact the SMG can actually shift faster than a human with a stick.

The problem is you feel "disconnected" with the driving experience.

Your 1/4 mile time is off. I already ran a 14.9 full interior at almost 90F in my stock 6MT, and a 14.7 with just the spare tire, jack and rear seat out. And that was with only 300 miles on the clock - My dyno shows I have picked up a huge amount of power since then. At cooler temps a 14.7 would be doable with full internals and a broken in motor. AT will be forever doomed to 16s or high 15s however due to the inability to launch worth a damn.

To back up my break in statement - here are the dynos for my car at 300 miles (day before drag races) and at 2700 miles. I picked up quite a bit of power.

[MVJ1975]

You can launch the AT, you just use the old brake stand launch.

[reeves]

Originally Posted by Boosted2.0

Your 1/4 mile time is off. I already ran a 14.9 full interior at almost 90F in my stock 6MT, and a 14.7 with just the spare tire, jack and rear seat out. And that was with only 300 miles on the clock - My dyno shows I have picked up a huge amount of power since then. At cooler temps a 14.7 would be doable with full internals and a broken in motor. AT will be forever doomed to 16s or high 15s however due to the inability to launch worth a damn.

To back up my break in statement - here are the dynos for my car at 300 miles (day before drag races) and at 2700 miles. I picked up quite a bit of power.

Wow those numbers are impressive! They are to the wheels right? If so, AWESOME to see that.

Hopefully, the 3.5K to 4.5K RPM power dip can be "fixed" as well. Interested to see how people are tackling that.

[FRES86]

I have the AT and I was averaging 26.7 MPG for the first 2500 miles and then I put on my light weight crank pulley and I've lost 2.2 mpg?! WTF? I love the AT, drove the manual and the auto many times. I felt like the AT was quicker? I've had only MT sports cars, this felt so different than any AT ive ever driven. Still times I wish I got the MT though!

[Rejor11]

On my way to Colorado I was getting steady 30-32 MPG on the highway. In the city I average about 26-27