Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen? - Page 56 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Dadhawk · 08-31-2022, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Unlikely. I don't see there being a 3rd gen of this car with the push toward EVs. That's why my goal is going to be pay off my '23 as quickly as possible and pick up a V8 car like a Mach 1.

That's the devolve part (switching to EV, better but not really)

OkieSnuffBox · 08-31-2022, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

That's the devolve part (switching to EV, better but not really)

I honestly don't even think that will happen. I could maybe see a hybrid, but that doesn't seem likely either.

Tcoat · 08-31-2022, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I honestly don't even think that will happen. I could maybe see a hybrid, but that doesn't seem likely either.

Ya they have been pretty transparent with their proposed EV line up.

There could of course be surprises but I doubt an 86 will be one of them.

Dadhawk · 08-31-2022, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ya they have been pretty transparent with their proposed EV line up.

There could of course be surprises but I doubt an 86 will be one of them.

Following Ford's model, the 86 Mach E is the second row far left. You didn't know that?

Tcoat · 08-31-2022, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Following Ford's model, the 86 Mach E is the second row far left. You didn't know that?

No they clearly have a name planed for that one!

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...lica-nameplate

Sasquachulator · 09-01-2022, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

No they clearly have a name planed for that one!

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...lica-nameplate

Its only "acceptable" if its called

Celica Cross, Celica X, Celica Mach E (or derivative) or something of the like.

because you cant use a sports car name on an SUV by itself, its sacrilege. But add an additional word to indicate its an SUV, and its a WHOLE different car.....

Tcoat · 09-01-2022, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Its only "acceptable" if its called

Celica Cross, Celica X, Celica Mach E (or derivative) or something of the like.

because you cant use a sports car name on an SUV by itself, its sacrilege. But add an additional word to indicate its an SUV, and its a WHOLE different car.....

Still not acceptable!

This is NOT an Eclipse no matter what you tack onto the name.

NoHaveMSG · 09-01-2022, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

Still not acceptable!

This is NOT an Eclipse no matter what you tack onto the name.

Looks like it would do a decent job of blocking out the sun to me.

Tcoat · 09-01-2022, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Looks like it would do a decent job of blocking out the sun to me.

DA DOO

Spuds · 09-03-2022, 06:26 PM

So I test drove a GR86 (base) back to back with my FRS today. Put about 15 miles on it in what passes for back roads around here. Engine and transmission were improved as expected, brakes were fantastic, but the steering was a bit of a let down. Note on the clutch, it was light, but it was extremely easy to learn and be consistent with.

To discuss the steering a bit more (since this is the 'any good reason to stay with first gen' thread):
I like how the FRS steering increases in weight as you increase lock which the GR86 didn't really have. The GR86 was pretty direct and predictable, but it was more like turn the wheel and hold it in place than the leaning on the wheel in the FRS. Also, the GR seems a bit delayed to make quick direction changes where my FRS is immediate. These combined to give me less confidence in the front end of the car when it came to things like rotaries and sharp turns. Curves and such were fine but I still prefer more weight. This could be down to tires, but I think there is more to it than that. The new hood humps might also have something to do with being confident in placement, might just take getting used to.

The back end of the GR86 felt more stable in all conditions; quick, sweeping, bumpy, etc. That's probably due to some combination of chassis improvements, different suspension, and the FRS bushings being 9 years old.

As far as speed, my head knows from both experience and numbers that the GR is quite a bit faster, and easier to drive faster in a straight line at least, but the FRS didn't feel any slower when I was driving home.

Anyway, quick shout out to Toyota of Southern Maryland who let me test drive their Trueno Blue MT GR86. They've got it marked up $5k on the sticker but it was there with 32 miles on the clock when I left if anyone is interested. Joe was pretty chill. I think I'm going to stick with the FRS for the time being.

Relevant notes on my FRS: 55,000 miles. Stock, original suspension with rpf1s and Advan Sport v105s in stock size.

fredzy · 09-03-2022, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Following Ford's model, the 86 Mach E is the second row far left. You didn't know that?

Or this one. It looks extra grounded to the ground. Low CG and all that

Blighty · 09-03-2022, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spuds

So I test drove a GR86 (base) back to back with my FRS today. Put about 15 miles on it in what passes for back roads around here. Engine and transmission were improved as expected, brakes were fantastic, but the steering was a bit of a let down. Note on the clutch, it was light, but it was extremely easy to learn and be consistent with.

To discuss the steering a bit more (since this is the 'any good reason to stay with first gen' thread):
I like how the FRS steering increases in weight as you increase lock which the GR86 didn't really have. The GR86 was pretty direct and predictable, but it was more like turn the wheel and hold it in place than the leaning on the wheel in the FRS. Also, the GR seems a bit delayed to make quick direction changes where my FRS is immediate. These combined to give me less confidence in the front end of the car when it came to things like rotaries and sharp turns. Curves and such were fine but I still prefer more weight. This could be down to tires, but I think there is more to it than that. The new hood humps might also have something to do with being confident in placement, might just take getting used to.

The back end of the GR86 felt more stable in all conditions; quick, sweeping, bumpy, etc. That's probably due to some combination of chassis improvements, different suspension, and the FRS bushings being 9 years old.

As far as speed, my head knows from both experience and numbers that the GR is quite a bit faster, and easier to drive faster in a straight line at least, but the FRS didn't feel any slower when I was driving home.

Anyway, quick shout out to Toyota of Southern Maryland who let me test drive their Trueno Blue MT GR86. They've got it marked up $5k on the sticker but it was there with 32 miles on the clock when I left if anyone is interested. Joe was pretty chill. I think I'm going to stick with the FRS for the time being.

Relevant notes on my FRS: 55,000 miles. Stock, original suspension with rpf1s and Advan Sport v105s in stock size.

Very nice comparison, and shame about the tire differences.

Did they let you give it the beans on the new model?

Spuds · 09-03-2022, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Blighty

Very nice comparison, and shame about the tire differences.

Did they let you give it the beans on the new model?

Yes. It's quick and pulls like you would expect given the torque curve. The throttle seems to be non-linear with most of the torque provided in the first half of travel. It went faster with less drama than the FRS.

fredzy · 09-23-2022, 09:53 AM

First part of the title is a big eye roller, but it's a good video with lots of very interesting info. Lots of things that aren't the usual marketing taglines, things even I've never really heard about.

Do people have issues with the syncros giving up on the first gen?

09-03-2022, 06:26 PM	#780
Spuds The Dictater Join Date: Apr 2017 Drives: '13 Red Scion FRS Location: MD, USA Posts: 9,678 Thanks: 26,733 Thanked 12,735 Times in 6,310 Posts Mentioned: 88 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So I test drove a GR86 (base) back to back with my FRS today. Put about 15 miles on it in what passes for back roads around here. Engine and transmission were improved as expected, brakes were fantastic, but the steering was a bit of a let down. Note on the clutch, it was light, but it was extremely easy to learn and be consistent with. To discuss the steering a bit more (since this is the 'any good reason to stay with first gen' thread): I like how the FRS steering increases in weight as you increase lock which the GR86 didn't really have. The GR86 was pretty direct and predictable, but it was more like turn the wheel and hold it in place than the leaning on the wheel in the FRS. Also, the GR seems a bit delayed to make quick direction changes where my FRS is immediate. These combined to give me less confidence in the front end of the car when it came to things like rotaries and sharp turns. Curves and such were fine but I still prefer more weight. This could be down to tires, but I think there is more to it than that. The new hood humps might also have something to do with being confident in placement, might just take getting used to. The back end of the GR86 felt more stable in all conditions; quick, sweeping, bumpy, etc. That's probably due to some combination of chassis improvements, different suspension, and the FRS bushings being 9 years old. As far as speed, my head knows from both experience and numbers that the GR is quite a bit faster, and easier to drive faster in a straight line at least, but the FRS didn't feel any slower when I was driving home. Anyway, quick shout out to Toyota of Southern Maryland who let me test drive their Trueno Blue MT GR86. They've got it marked up $5k on the sticker but it was there with 32 miles on the clock when I left if anyone is interested. Joe was pretty chill. I think I'm going to stick with the FRS for the time being. Relevant notes on my FRS: 55,000 miles. Stock, original suspension with rpf1s and Advan Sport v105s in stock size. Last edited by Spuds; 09-03-2022 at 06:59 PM. Reason: Added miles on my FRS.

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fredzy Mebmer Join Date: Nov 2021 Drives: Sienna, GR86, TourX Location: PA Posts: 655 Thanks: 418 Thanked 492 Times in 304 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	First part of the title is a big eye roller, but it's a good video with lots of very interesting info. Lots of things that aren't the usual marketing taglines, things even I've never really heard about. Do people have issues with the syncros giving up on the first gen?

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