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That errantly assumes those issues are caused by man rather than natural phenomena like, oh I don’t know, solar cycles. Or maybe irresponsible utilization of resources related to your identified issues. Food for clean ICE fuel, lawns and swimming pools in historically desert dominated geographies along with excessive population density. Focusing on such bogus climate issues takes away from perpetuating equality and, in fact, does exactly the opposite further driving wedges between the west and the have not populations not to mention the wealthy and poor populations of the west.
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It is not an assumption; there seems to be a significant amount of research supporting anthropogenic climate change. That is, it is not a hypothesis, it is a medium to strong theory.
Btw, the "97% of scientist say..climate change" is bogus. It is commonly quoted but it is a contrived number. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexeps...h=3896eb413f9f https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/...cientists-say/ Disclaimer: I do not have the knowledge to agree or disagree with anthropogenic climate change and I suspect most people don't. This means we are subject to listening to people who are experts. And don't read "experts" as someone who knows everything about a field of study and is never wrong. An expert is someone who is very knowledgeable in their field. Expert knowledge changes. Experts are fallible but they're the best we have. I have mentioned before I have spoken to a professor of geology who disagrees with anthropogenic climate change (it is not his area of expertise) and I have to respect his position because he is significantly more knowledgeable than myself BUT he would be the first to acknowledge his viewpoint maybe wrong; he is a scientist and all positions can be challenged. Axiom for the day: opinion shopping is not research.
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There has been 2? 3? follow ups (The Limits to Growth Revisited, Limits and Beyond: 50 years on from The Limits to Growth, what did we learn and what’s next? and Update to limits to growth: Comparing the World3 model with empirical data ) and one of the continuing themes is running out of non renewable resources. "Although this result does not necessarily indicate an impending collapse, both scenarios display a halt in growth and subsequent decline in industrial capital, agricultural output, and welfare within three decades. This suggests that humanity is on a path to having limits imposed on itself, rather than consciously choosing its own. " From pdf from above link.
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^ always wear a mask while charging your ev. You can't get to Walgreens for booster number 10 if your if your battery is dead.
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The media often portrays scientist as wearing a white lab coat, working diligently over a microscope seeking the truth. And this stereotype is often correct BUT scientists are human, prone to the very same frailties as everyone else. So we get some scientists who cherry pick data, submit publications to less than reputable journals, who cling on to their theories because they are emotionally invested in same. But as I mention above experts are the best we have. Who else are we going to believe? Some random people on a forum who have spent 5 minutes on a search engine then calling themselves an expert? How can a person tell if something is true or false if that person doesn't have knowledge in that field? Story time. Two good acquaintances of mine were studying philosophy at university. One was doing her degree, the other his masters. I was there when they were discussing something philosophy. It was incomprehensible. I didn't have the knowledge to understand what they were saying. This can be applied to any higher level of study. 2/ Two possibilities: it is being manipulated (see above point about human fallibility) OR new ways have been discovered of interpreting/presenting the same data. You say "it's often proven". How often, what about the data that isn't proven to be manipulated? Once a paper/study has been published it is open to scrutiny. How do you know the data has been manipulated? Because someone has studied the data and found it wanting. 3/ Given what I have read I don't think anyone is disputing climate doesn't change. But why can't there be climate change that is caused by a combination of naturally occurring and man made? I don't see any mutual exclusivity. 4/ Given the evidence of I read of (note what I said: read of, not "read") man, woman and non-gender specif people can change climate. 5/ Yes, there is political games being played and the democratic process is a shambles but that doesn't mean climate change is going away anytime soon. 6/ Capitalism and democracy are social constructs. There are alternatives (I am not saying they are viable alternatives, just that people have agreed to these institutions) but people cannot live without food, water or living in elevated temperatures.
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Is one of them Dr Chipmonk?
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Your statement "There is more than sufficient evidence" is unreferenced hyperbole. I could counter with an equally pointless statement "there is more than enough evidence to support man made climate change". You make a lot of broad generalizations which do not encompass the whole field. Take this example:"There is also plenty of evidence that those calling out the doom and gloom of man made climate change are simply drumming up ‘business’ to pay for their bogus jobs". I do not doubt for a moment that some unknown percentage of climate activists are padding their jobs but this can be said of any field. My good wife works in HR and the stories she tells me of some employees makes me cringe. See my comment above about human fallibilities but you can't extrapolate to say all employees are padding their jobs. Would you care to link some sites explaining why the theory of anthropomorphic climate change is wrong? I didn't doubt that for a moment.
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To the best of my knowledge Dr Chipmonk doesn't handle spending approvals. You would have to refer to Dr Spock.
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