New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Dadhawk]

Chevy released the Blazer EV last evening including an SS version. Nice looking vehicle, priced at $45K to $66K (SS version).

https://electrek.co/2022/07/18/2024-chevy-blazer-ev/

[Aloha8]

There’s also that new Vinfast Ev cars too

[soundman98]

i'll agree rivian, tesla, and lucid motors(distant) all exist.

all the rest, they're no better than elio motors. they exist on paper.

[Lantanafrs2]

Hats off to those who bought evs in anticipation of 10 dollar a gallon gasoline.

[Irace86.2.0]

I don't know... it seems like petroleum prices go up and down, but average out over time, yet electricity seems a little more stable. It is probably the better long term bet if someone wanted to avoid market changes in energy prices.




https://www.in2013dollars.com/Electr...rice-inflation

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i'll agree rivian, tesla, and lucid motors(distant) all exist.

all the rest, they're no better than elio motors. they exist on paper.

I'm not confident in Lucid, smells like Fisker to me, but at least they have the vehicle performance to back it up.

Looking at their Q2 report they need to start turning a profit in ~3 years, that SUV can't come quick enough because there are not enough sales in the luxury car market to support them.

Tesla has built a brand and Rivian has Ford backing, they'll be around for at least this decade but I wouldn't be shocked if they fold and the major automakers swallow them up.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I'm not confident in Lucid, smells like Fisker to me, but at least they have the vehicle performance to back it up.

Looking at their Q2 report they need to start turning a profit in ~3 years, that SUV can't come quick enough because there are not enough sales in the luxury car market to support them.

Tesla has built a brand and Rivian has Ford backing, they'll be around for at least this decade but I wouldn't be shocked if they fold and the major automakers swallow them up.

lucid has at least brought some vehicles to market, which is one of the hardest parts. lots of shells of companies talking about bringing something to market, but few do.

so for now they do exist on the most basic level of creating a product and bringing it to market. elio can't say the same. whether lucid can maintain and stay profitable, that's an entirely different debate!

[chipmunk]

If it ever comes to that, we can probably expect rolling blackouts - different grids will be allowed to charge during different time windows to avoid overloading. Heck, we might go full circle and bring back the horse buggies.

Left alone to the markets, people will figure out the right balance between various power sources - petroleum, coal, nuclear, wind, solar, tidal, etc. It's only when private-jet-flying doomsday-mongering criminals stick their nose in that this balance gets screwed up. And We The Peasants get the shaft in the end.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

Left alone to the markets, people will figure out the right balance between various power sources - petroleum, coal, nuclear, wind, solar, tidal, etc.

That's not really true. The market drives for efficiency but neglects external costs. Read on the tragedy of the commons as a good example of why the market sometimes needs intervention.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

Left alone to the markets, people will figure out the right balance between various power sources - petroleum, coal, nuclear, wind, solar, tidal, etc. It's only when private-jet-flying doomsday-mongering criminals stick their nose in that this balance gets screwed up. And We The Peasants get the shaft in the end.

So, are you saying the "Peasants" are going to be the ones out building power plants? Seems unlikely.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by chipmunk

If it ever comes to that, we can probably expect rolling blackouts - different grids will be allowed to charge during different time windows to avoid overloading. Heck, we might go full circle and bring back the horse buggies.

Left alone to the markets, people will figure out the right balance between various power sources - petroleum, coal, nuclear, wind, solar, tidal, etc. It's only when private-jet-flying doomsday-mongering criminals stick their nose in that this balance gets screwed up. And We The Peasants get the shaft in the end.

Most battery charging is done at off-peak hours in the middle of the night or mid day when people park at work, which should flatten the duck curve created from solar. Growing the energy grid over time is not a challenge, and we know that because we have added energy to the grid at a faster rate in the past than we currently do today. We also have a number of new storage technologies coming to market that should allow us to build more energy systems without overloading the grid and to support peak use. Check out this thread to learn about many of those technologies.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143867

Unfortunately, burning fossil fuels is highly unsustainable at best and devastating to the environment at worst, besides being fiscally volatile as the supply fluctuates. Moving to more sustainable energy could be left to the markets, but the market will always pick the cheapest solution in the short term, which isn’t necessarily the best for the long term or for stability. The government could do nothing to regulate emissions or to incentivize moving to green technology and allow the markets to figure things out. This would be a disaster.

[WolfpackS2k]

The government could do nothing to regulate emissions or to incentivize moving to green technology and allow the markets to figure things out. This would be a disaster.

We're already witnessing a disaster first hand, almost entirely brought to you by the left leaning side of most "western" governments.

[chipmunk]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

So, are you saying the "Peasants" are going to be the ones out building power plants? Seems unlikely.

Are we gonna have a fully developed grid to support the EV needs by 2035?

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/08/13/...n-energy-cost/

[chipmunk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Most battery charging is done at off-peak hours in the middle of the night or mid day when people park at work, which should flatten the duck curve created from solar. Growing the energy grid over time is not a challenge, and we know that because we have added energy to the grid at a faster rate in the past than we currently do today. We also have a number of new storage technologies coming to market that should allow us to build more energy systems without overloading the grid and to support peak use. Check out this thread to learn about many of those technologies.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143867

Unfortunately, burning fossil fuels is highly unsustainable at best and devastating to the environment at worst, besides being fiscally volatile as the supply fluctuates. Moving to more sustainable energy could be left to the markets, but the market will always pick the cheapest solution in the short term, which isn’t necessarily the best for the long term or for stability. The government could do nothing to regulate emissions or to incentivize moving to green technology and allow the markets to figure things out. This would be a disaster.

It wasn't that long ago when Texas froze over. And California had rolling blackouts. And look at what's going on in EU and UK.

What exactly is your point again?