Potential Cause of rumored GR86’s blown engine? Seal packing(RTV) was peeled off

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Petah78

This member: https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=428

Sorry, i don't know how to "mention" the actual member onto this thread.

EDIT: Trying out mention: @justinco

As always, build date?

It seem so far almost all the failures are cars built in Nov/Dec of last year.

[Petah78]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

As always, build date?

It seem so far almost all the failures are cars built in Nov/Dec of last year.

From stalking comments on YouTube videos and threads:

Justin - 12/21
Verus - 11/21
PhotoMike - 02/22

Having said that, I have read comments with build dates of 04/22 where RTV was found on the dip stick. Not sure if that amounts to anything though.

[Opie]

I need Subaru branded vehicles specifically...not GR86's...Subaru is looking into this on their vehicles....

[mycrors7]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

As always, build date?

It seem so far almost all the failures are cars built in Nov/Dec of last year.

there's a 9/21 failure in japan that i posted earlier iirc

[Rainy]

oil pan baffle plate from Revolution (a JP aftermarket part Brand)
http://revo-tune.jp/catalog/products/detail/447

A owner just drop the pan to clean oil pickup, and realize some rubber valve flaps from oil pan baffle plate (see the pics below) somehow break into pieces, and it stuck in the oil pickup.

according to RHDJapan, "This version (Ver.3) provides maximum reduction of oil sloshing up from the oil pan and maximum return with multiple one-way valve flaps.”

IDK if this is the product QC problem or if the owner bought counterfeit products, but probably best to stay away from it

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Rainy

oil pan baffle plate from Revolution (a JP aftermarket part Brand)
http://revo-tune.jp/catalog/products/detail/447

A owner just drop the pan to clean oil pickup, and realize some rubber valve flaps from oil pan baffle plate (see the pics below) somehow break into pieces, and it stuck in the oil pickup.

according to RHDJapan, "This version (Ver.3) provides maximum reduction of oil sloshing up from the oil pan and maximum return with multiple one-way valve flaps.”

IDK if this is the product QC problem or if the owner bought counterfeit products, but probably best to stay away from it

This product (no matter how bad or good it may be) will completely and rightfully cause any oil starvation issues to be denied under warranty.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Not sure if they'll see it, but Verus put up a youtube video of theirs with RTV in it. ETA: they have an 86 so maybe not helpful.

Originally Posted by Petah78

This member: https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=428

Sorry, i don't know how to "mention" the actual member onto this thread.

EDIT: Trying out mention: @justinco

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

Screen Shot from Verus Video..

Originally Posted by FrickingReallySlow

There's 2 people who spun their bearings and pulled the pan / found RTV does that still count or only people with functioning engines lol

Originally Posted by Petah78

Not on this forum that I recall. But as others have mentioned versus engineering have also found silicon in their cars pick up which was documented on YouTube.

And this guy from Canada.

Might be worth it to reach out for a larger sample size. Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by Petah78

From stalking comments on YouTube videos and threads:

Justin - 12/21
Verus - 11/21
PhotoMike - 02/22

Having said that, I have read comments with build dates of 04/22 where RTV was found on the dip stick. Not sure if that amounts to anything though.

Originally Posted by mycrors7

there's a 9/21 failure in japan that i posted earlier iirc

And this is EXACTLY how issues can be blown out of proportion as to how many times it has actually happened. The same few just keep getting repeated and repeated and added to a list as separate issues until what is really 3 or 4 looks like 50!

[KillerBMotorsport]

Those flap valves should never be used on a horizontal surface. They sag open, eventually take a set and become non-functional, and can even fail. Especially the cheap ones. Not how BMW (the original design from back in the 90s) intended for them to be used.

[Petah78]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And this is EXACTLY how issues can be blown out of proportion as to how many times it has actually happened. The same few just keep getting repeated and repeated and added to a list as separate issues until what is really 3 or 4 looks like 50!

I am sure some members just wanted to be helpful and got enthusiastic, myself included. In my case, i was doing it on my phone and didn't see others have already replied. My apologies.

But IMO, finding RTV in pick ups is not going to be a small sample size, or "blown out of proportions". Or the problem might exist only in engines from a certain date range if this was caught. Yes, internet always magnifies a problem (if there is even one to begin with) but in this case, I think there is only a small subset of owners that is even aware of this and even a smaller subset of these aware owners are dropping their pans to verify. Most are not doing it for the fear of losing their warranty. From this very small group that have dropped their pans, you are already seeing people posting that they found RTV in their pick up. Keep in mind we are not talking about spun bearings/toast engines, we are just talking about finding RTV inside the pick up. Is this a problem? No one knows. But it does make you think if all these FA24s are on borrowed time.

For my own benefits, I would be very happy to be told that i am wrong about this. I would love to see more reports of owners who dropped their pans to check and found no RTV in the pick up. But thus far, for those that checked, it does seems the hit rate is decently high.

[Petah78]

Here is another one. 12 21 build date

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Petah78

Here is another one.

So, if you drop the pan, and do this work yourself, aren't you pretty much guaranteeing you won't get an engine repair under warranty should there be an issue later?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Petah78

I am sure some members just wanted to be helpful and got enthusiastic, myself included. In my case, i was doing it on my phone and didn't see others have already replied. My apologies.

But IMO, finding RTV in pick ups is not going to be a small sample size, or "blown out of proportions". Or the problem might exist only in engines from a certain date range if this was caught. Yes, internet always magnifies a problem (if there is even one to begin with) but in this case, I think there is only a small subset of owners that is even aware of this and even a smaller subset of these aware owners are dropping their pans to verify. Most are not doing it for the fear of losing their warranty. From this very small group that have dropped their pans, you are already seeing people posting that they found RTV in their pick up. Keep in mind we are not talking about spun bearings/toast engines, we are just talking about finding RTV inside the pick up. Is this a problem? No one knows. But it does make you think if all these FA24s are on borrowed time.

For my own benefits, I would be very happy to be told that i am wrong about this. I would love to see more reports of owners who dropped their pans to check and found no RTV in the pick up. But thus far, for those that checked, it does seems the hit rate is decently high.

Oh I did not mean to imply that it wasn't a big deal just that knowing accurate data is important. Is it 50 or 5,000 cars impacted? People may be worried about a small chance or they may not be worried at all and really should be. It just confuses the whole issue to have random people posting other's info. This is especially true when a request for numbers has been made and many people keep saying "these guys".

[Petah78]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

So, if you drop the pan, and do this work yourself, aren't you pretty much guaranteeing you won't get an engine repair under warranty should there be an issue later?

Very very grey area IMO. I am going to email Subaru Canada with that exact question and see what they say. I am perfectly capable of performing the work myself but will not do so IF i am chancing my warranty.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Petah78

Very very grey area IMO. I am going to email Subaru Canada with that exact question and see what they say. I am perfectly capable of performing the work myself but will not do so IF i am chancing my warranty.

"This warranty is only applicable if the car was originally delivered by an authorized Canadian Subaru Dealer."

"DAMAGE OR CORROSION DUE TO ACCIDENTS, MISUSE OR ALTERATION
Repairs required as a result of misuse, e.g. racing, rally or a competitive event; neglect; alteration; improper adjustment or repairs; "


Not grey at all in my mind. If you remove and reseal the pan and something happens you have altered the factory parts (sealant) and they could use that as an excuse. Doesn't matter if you, I or anybody else on a forum thinks that it is OK to do it gives them an out if they decide they want to play hardball. I would not even trust if a dealer said "sure"!

It sucks but they have a very good legal team that worded the warranty and they know what they can make stick if they want to.

OH and LOL apparently the whole promoting a sports car on a race track then not covering it is not different than promoting the SUVs for off road!

SPECIAL PROVISION FOR ALL-WHEEL DRIVE VEHICLES

This warranty applies only to on-road use of the SUBARU All-Wheel Drive Vehicle.

Any failure or defect resulting from off-road use of the All-Wheel Drive vehicle will not be covered by this warranty.
On-road use means use on established roadways either paved, gravel, mud, sand, ice or snow.