New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I have a bigger problem. My fusebox and electric meter is in the basement on the opposite side of the house from my garage, and there is no direct access to the garage from that route (garage is on a slab).

So, I'm probably dealing with a 50ft or greater run, plus some portion of it running outside the house.

I'm also have a basically full fusebox. There is one 240V connection left from where we remodeled the kitchen and went from a separate stove/oven to a single unit.

that's a pretty standard construction layout for the midwest as well. and one of the largest hurdles.

dealers want to state a flat fee for charger install, but a house with a panel 2' from where the charger is going would only be about an hour of work and $150 in parts. if the panel is more like yours-- 30-70' away, through a basement, #6 wire is $1.60/foot and on the rise, need 2-3 of them(tesla's are 2+ground, other chargers are 3+ground), plus a #10 ground at $0.68/foot...

just the material cost can rise into figures with a comma in them, and that doesn't even account for labor. so either we way under-estimate the long runs and become a charity organization, or rape the easy runs and they get angry--we could do everything to explain that we charge a flat rate for every customer for the job, and some jobs cost significantly more, but that's just going to make them angrier that they paid 4-figure prices to offset someone else's charger install, and we were only there for an hour...

i've gotten lucky on the last few, with either a spare pipe we can take over, or the basement drywalled ceiling is dropped for mechanicals in spots that i can fish across the space.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by soundman98

that's a pretty standard construction layout for the midwest as well. and one of the largest hurdles..

Assuming I follow through on my Lyriq purchase, I will get a $1,500 rebate towards installation of a charger so I'm hoping that will cover most of the cost.

(The other option is 2 year charging on EVGo, but There's no way I'll do $1,500 of remote charging in 24 months.)

[jflogerzi]

Just picked an Bolt EUV for the wife/family. So far we love it. Perfect little car for a family of 4. Our Kids are young so this will last us. with 7 year bumper to bumper extended warranty our OTD cost was 35K after all rebates(and counting the 2K CA rebate). This is an LT with Leather. Best Spec for Bolt IMO for value IMO.

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I have a bigger problem. My fusebox and electric meter is in the basement on the opposite side of the house from my garage, and there is no direct access to the garage from that route (garage is on a slab).

So, I'm probably dealing with a 50ft or greater run, plus some portion of it running outside the house.

I'm also have a basically full fusebox. There is one 240V connection left from where we remodeled the kitchen and went from a separate stove/oven to a single unit.

Look at this:
https://www.amazon.com/Parkworld-692...NsaWNrPXRydWU=

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

The Buick Electra and Wildcat are heading back as EVs. Now if they would just bring back the Pontiac Trans Am. An Electric Chicken logo just seems perfect for this.

Anyone notice how the face of the wildcat looks like a massaged version of the refreshed first gen 86?

Bigass sharkmouth/toyota razor grille (similar to a Camry's actually)
and pointy headlights more like the FT86 concept car than the rounded production car.

[Irace86.2.0]

I was considering the ramifications of the lithium-sulfur battery that is 3x the capacity for the same weight...

The Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus has a battery that is 54kWh and weighs 3,648lbs, where the battery weighs 715lbs, and the car has 272 miles of range. With 3x the capacity, that could be a capacity of 162kWh and a range of 816 miles, which would be nice, but unless someone is really traveling far and doesn't have access to charging at home, or unless someone is towing like they probably would in an EV truck, such range is overkill. If we wanted the same range in the same car then we could just remove two thirds of the battery capacity to get back down to 54kWh, but at a third the weight, so the new battery would weigh 238lbs or 477lbs less, and that means the car would now weigh 3,171lbs, which is pretty light for a premium vehicle. But there is more. If the goal is to provide the same specs in terms of performance and range, well, 477lbs of less weight means the car should accelerate faster and have better range, so in that case, the car could have smaller motors and an even smaller battery. I wouldn't be surprised if the car weighed around 3,000lbs and had the same specs in acceleration and range with an even smaller battery capacity of say 45kWh. Could that mean it would charge faster too? Probably, and that is because there is less total capacity.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...cfXzjwE-PsaWeg

I'm hopeful that it will be possible to have an EV Miata with a 250+ mile range and 250-300hp and be sub 2500lbs or lighter with such batteries.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I was considering the ramifications of the lithium-sulfur battery that is 3x the capacity for the same weight...

I agree any new tech needs to balance weight reduction and range improvement, but not extreme range. Of course, everyone's optimal range differs.

I'd prefer to have a vehicle with not less than a 300 mile range, but would prefer 500. 500 meets all of my single day round trip needs and most of my single day one way needs. I'm good with one charging stop on a full days drive though so 300 works.

More efficient batteries potentially gives the buyer options. Making the battery you describe for the Tesla modular means the buyer could choose between, as an example, three ranges that are all useful but let the buyer decide what range/weight/etc they feel meets their needs.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I'm hopeful that it will be possible to have an EV Miata with a 250+ mile range and 250-300hp and be sub 2500lbs or lighter with such batteries.

Oh man, I'm really hoping that will happen soon!

[squall leonhart]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Anyone notice how the face of the wildcat looks like a massaged version of the refreshed first gen 86?

The first thing I thought of when I saw the front end was the first gen, looks pretty blatant.

[WolfpackS2k]

Once the technology catches up, the freedom of the layout of an EV could make for some very engaging sports cars. Motors and be placed just right for a bespoke sports cars without the huge expense usually associated with such a development for an ICE.

Sidenote, I signed paperwork to have solar installed on my roof in November. Was finally installed over the course of 6 hours on April 9th. Still isn't functional, inspections by the installer and local utility company (Duke Energy) aren't complete. This is complete bullsh*t.

[Dadhawk]

I have to wonder how many takes they have to do to get some of the marketing bullsh** statements that say nothing but sound so "intelligent" in the can.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I agree any new tech needs to balance weight reduction and range improvement, but not extreme range. Of course, everyone's optimal range differs.

I'd prefer to have a vehicle with not less than a 300 mile range, but would prefer 500. 500 meets all of my single day round trip needs and most of my single day one way needs. I'm good with one charging stop on a full days drive though so 300 works.

More efficient batteries potentially gives the buyer options. Making the battery you describe for the Tesla modular means the buyer could choose between, as an example, three ranges that are all useful but let the buyer decide what range/weight/etc they feel meets their needs.

I still think battery swapping is the better way to go for society. It is better than fast charging that degrades the batteries faster. Battery swapping is as fast as filling up a gas tank. Battery swapping means the batteries can be even smaller with no range anxiety.

I would love to see a model where car manufacturers, car manufacturer groups or battery manufacturers like Panasonic own the batteries. Only the car is purchased and the battery is bought/rented/leased as a separate purchase or included, and it could be an option, but regardless, a person basically can buy new shells and just continually swap modular batteries. Going on a camping trip or needing to tow a boat in your EV truck, well, swap in the premium/long range battery for the day or weekend, maybe for a surcharge or the standard or economy battery. Why carry a big battery around all the time?

The manufacturer can slow-charge the batteries for better longevity. They can recycle the batteries or transition them to grid storage instead of doing a buy-back/tade-in program.

Tesla moved away from swapping because of lack of interest, but that was probably because luxury car buyers have homes and garages to charge, and because Tesla never set up a system for swapping that removed liability like Niro. Tesla now has an integrated battery that is part of the structure, which they say saved weight, so this could be good for many buyers, but I see swapping as the ideal model for the masses.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I still think battery swapping is the better way to go for society. It is better than fast charging that degrades the batteries faster. Battery swapping is as fast as filling up a gas tank. Battery swapping means the batteries can be even smaller with no range anxiety.

There are many technological problems with that, and let's not start on the psychological ones (swapping a fresh battery for an old one, swapped battery that stops working, etc). A great idea in theory, but probably not realistic for passenger cars. It might work for fleets and/or heavy duty vehicles, though.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

...Tesla now has an integrated battery that is part of the structure, which they say saved weight, so this could be good for many buyers, but I see swapping as the ideal model for the masses.

I think pretty much every manufacturer has this now. GM's new battery tech is basically the entire rolling chassis of the car.

I agree with @Ohio Enthusiast it's a good idea in theory but probably not practical in the long run.

Since I have a preorder for a Lyriq AWD I've been playing around with routes as most of the 3rd party route planning software has the Lyriq in it now. A trip we plan to take next week that is a little over 500 miles, would require us to leave at 90%, stop once for a recharge of 30 minutes and still arrive with what I consider a safe margin of charge. That's practical to me.