Really, which is faster AT vs MT?

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I thought this was somewhat common knowledge when the car came out???

Gen1 FT86 AT = slowest
Gen1 FT86 MT = second slowest
Gen2 FT86 AT = Similar to Gen 1 MT, maybe a bit faster because its more powerful
Gen2 FT86 MT = fastest.

Gen1 FT86 AT with supercharger 5.29 gearing = win

[DylanJZA]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/tra...automatic.html


"The numbers bear these complaints out. The run to 60 mph took 6.9 seconds (6.5 seconds with 1 foot of rollout), while the quarter mile took 15.3 seconds at 93.2 mph. Compared to a similarly equipped Subaru BRZ that we tested with a manual transmission, the automatic-equipped car was 0.8 second slower to 60, 0.4 second slower to the quarter mile and 6.7 mph slower at the quarter-mile mark. That's a whole lot of slow, especially by the standards of today's automatics."

bit slower than what the rest of the publications have shown. nearly everything I've seen for 0-60 indicates ~.5s slower for the AT (with or without rollout). Still slower than the MT tho

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Isn't how fast it is irrelevant?

The standard disclaimer.... "If you bought this car to be fast in a straight line you bought the wrong car"

Enjoy the car AT or MT

Well said. I have been crying for 6 years during my daily commutes because my 16 BRZ AT is 0.8 sec slower than the MT to 60.

[OwlDance]

Originally Posted by DylanJZA

It disallows downshifts above 4k because it wants a 1.5k gap to redline in a lower gear. this is conservative, but in my usage hasn't been an issue because when I downshift I want gear left over anyhow, but it would be nice to not have the nanny or at least had some more headroom. But I feel reviewers were annoyed by it a little more than needed due to not understanding and/or asking about it.

Reading this gave me a conniption so I went and tested this out yesterday on the highway after the engine was fully warmed up to make sure I wasn't out of my mind.

Redlined to 2nd gear on the on ramp. Shifted to third. Pushed it to 6K RPM in third and let it stay as high as possible off throttle until I could downshift.

2nd gear tops out at 61-63MPH. Third gear let me downshift at 60MPH which put me at around 7000 RPM+.

Did it again on an empty (safe) stretch of straight highway, this time in 4rth gear and inching up to 5000 RPM (~90MPH) and I could still downshift to third, which tops out at 91-93MPH.
Edit: this is on a post-refresh first gen 86. I imagine 2nd gen would be identical, except the speeds would be slightly different due to the 3.9 FD.

[Sapphireho]

No computer tells me when I can and can't shift.

[DylanJZA]

Originally Posted by OwlDance

Reading this gave me a conniption so I went and tested this out yesterday on the highway after the engine was fully warmed up to make sure I wasn't out of my mind.

Redlined to 2nd gear on the on ramp. Shifted to third. Pushed it to 6K RPM in third and let it stay as high as possible off throttle until I could downshift.

2nd gear tops out at 61-63MPH. Third gear let me downshift at 60MPH which put me at around 7000 RPM+.

Did it again on an empty (safe) stretch of straight highway, this time in 4rth gear and inching up to 5000 RPM (~90MPH) and I could still downshift to third, which tops out at 91-93MPH.
Edit: this is on a post-refresh first gen 86. I imagine 2nd gen would be identical, except the speeds would be slightly different due to the 3.9 FD.

I didn't test this on my gf's Hakone when I used to drive it, but it didn't seem to have the same conservative tuning as my GR86.

[StormTrooper]

This is sad.

The 86 is an experience car. Next thing I'll hear is that the CVT WRX is good and it doesn't ruin any chance of it being a drivers car.

Autos are faster in most cars due to gearing, thankfully this car is setup properly and its not the case.

[2020BRZtS]

Originally Posted by OwlDance

Reading this gave me a conniption so I went and tested this out yesterday on the highway after the engine was fully warmed up to make sure I wasn't out of my mind.

Redlined to 2nd gear on the on ramp. Shifted to third. Pushed it to 6K RPM in third and let it stay as high as possible off throttle until I could downshift.

2nd gear tops out at 61-63MPH. Third gear let me downshift at 60MPH which put me at around 7000 RPM+.

Did it again on an empty (safe) stretch of straight highway, this time in 4rth gear and inching up to 5000 RPM (~90MPH) and I could still downshift to third, which tops out at 91-93MPH.
Edit: this is on a post-refresh first gen 86. I imagine 2nd gen would be identical, except the speeds would be slightly different due to the 3.9 FD.

+1 I've done this but not in the scientific way you approached it. I downshifted 3-2 to pass a buggy on a double yellow... hit the rev limiter, scared the horse (and myself). It didn't stop me from doing it but it cut throttle immediately. I don't think I tried 4-3, but frequently ride to 75-80 in 3rd.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by 2020BRZtS

hit the rev limiter, scared the horse (and myself). It didn't stop me from doing it but it cut throttle immediately.

Yes, the fuel cut-off in the FA20 is very aggressive. Feels like you slam on the brakes. Unrelated to transmission type, though.

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by StormTrooper

This is sad.

The 86 is an experience car. Next thing I'll hear is that the CVT WRX is good and it doesn't ruin any chance of it being a drivers car.

Autos are faster in most cars due to gearing, thankfully this car is setup properly and its not the case.

The MT is for the experience and engagement. Nothing to do with speed. Doubt anyone could feel the difference. And who are you racing on your DD or weekend mountain run. Both MT and AT are slow anyway, they shine in the turns not the straights.

[OwlDance]

Originally Posted by StormTrooper

This is sad.

The 86 is an experience car. Next thing I'll hear is that the CVT WRX is good and it doesn't ruin any chance of it being a drivers car.

Autos are faster in most cars due to gearing, thankfully this car is setup properly and its not the case.

When near every high performance racing series uses dual clutch/"auto" setups and CVTs and torque converters can also lock and hold gears with similarly end user operated mechanisms, yes, it doesn't ruin any chance of these vehicles being a driver's car.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by StormTrooper

Autos are faster in most cars due to gearing, thankfully this car is setup properly and its not the case.

Lol no. Autos are faster on track because they can shift quicker then a person can as well as allowing you to keep both hands on the wheel.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Lol no. Autos are faster on track because they can shift quicker then a person can as well as allowing you to keep both hands on the wheel.

Yea, for a real duel clutch. A shit torque converter trans, I have to differ.

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Yea, for a real duel clutch. A shit torque converter trans, I have to differ.

I agree, if every auto was a PDK it would be great, but I have to admit the 4eat in my 04 WRX and the auto in my 16BRZ are just fine. Especially since they are both were/are for DD.