Random Thoughts - Part III The Search for Spark (No Politics)

[2020BRZtS]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Oh yeah, I see. You’d have to increase size to be able to radius those edges. May be worth trying. Kind of the reason I don’t carry my ridge wallet anymore. It’s too square and makes it awkward in my pocket.

If your wallet is the biggest thing you got in your pocket you've got bigger (smaller) problems.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by 2020BRZtS

If your wallet is the biggest thing you got in your pocket you've got bigger (smaller) problems.

Well I am half Asian I also prefer appendix carry.

Besides knife and pens I prefer not to carry anything in my pockets. Even wallet or cell phone is usually only there long enough to get them to a place to store them.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Well, if you want it even smaller...

You could always design a more compact PCB, have someone print it, and transfer all the important bits over to the new one.

Or cut the current PCB in half, add jumper cables between the two halves, then just have buttons on both faces.

That would be needlessly excessive. I like it.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

You use a shorter dummy cabinet above the range and duct through it into the attic then out a vent. You are supposed to vent gas ranges at 24-30” above the range surface.

Yeah, an 8"+ vent pipe through a cabinet kinda negates the value - especially because the height of the hood capture area matters - 18" can work... but on an 8' ceiling unless your cabs go to the ceiling that leaves previous little room for a cabinet anyway.

I know what you're "supposed" do do. I also have reviewed data on how effective that actually is... of course at the moment I have a "hood" which is so far below "barely adequate" that it's not funny. It can't even keep up with boiling water on a single burner...

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by cjd

Yeah, an 8"+ vent pipe through a cabinet kinda negates the value - especially because the height of the hood capture area matters - 18" can work... but on an 8' ceiling unless your cabs go to the ceiling that leaves previous little room for a cabinet anyway.

I know what you're "supposed" do do. I also have reviewed data on how effective that actually is... of course at the moment I have a "hood" which is so far below "barely adequate" that it's not funny. It can't even keep up with boiling water on a single burner...

How much air are you trying to move? I figured 400 cfm was enough for my space. Yeah, the cabinet above becomes a dummy and is just to pass the ducting up into the attic.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

How much air are you trying to move? I figured 400 cfm was enough for my space. Yeah, the cabinet above becomes a dummy and is just to pass the ducting up into the attic.

It's not really about cfm on its own, it's about capture area. The less capture area, the higher cfm to keep the flume from flowing around the edges of the hood. It also depends what kind of stuff you like to cook, which burners you use, etc. too - you can make a worse hood work if you only use the back burners for stuff that smokes or spits greasy stuff into the air.
Also, the larger your capture area and overall exhaust size, the quieter it can end up being since you need lower cfm overall (and that's what makes the most noise).
I'm not sure what we'll end up with as far stove - probably 6 burners, just not sure what types so 36" min rangetop width but may be wider if I end up using a 24" gas + 15" induction or something. For a 36" range I anticipate a 42"wide x 40" deep hood at 6' maybe bit higher, going up to the ceiling (9') and probably 1200+ cfm remote. Will need make-up air. Might need to go 6" wider each side, so could be a 48" width on a 36" range.

I feel I'm being a little short-tempered, hopefully not just making me be snarky and annoying but apologies if so. I've observed the problems even in our old house where we got a premium hood (it vented straight through the wall and was 24" tall) so have been researching and experimenting (and as noted, current house there is stuff we haven't cooked because it'd be way too bad). Wife is rather sensitive to air quality issues (asthma and similar stuff always does that). Heck, I've now observed a reasonable consistency between air quality (co2 and particulate) and how well I sleep.
Anyhow... I think I'm just ranting-ish now. Carry on. Bummer about the design mistake and you didn't catch it. Hopefully that's the only one.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by cjd

I feel I'm being a little short-tempered, hopefully not just making me be snarky and annoying but apologies if so. I've observed the problems even in our old house where we got a premium hood (it vented straight through the wall and was 24" tall) so have been researching and experimenting (and as noted, current house there is stuff we haven't cooked because it'd be way too bad). Wife is rather sensitive to air quality issues (asthma and similar stuff always does that). Heck, I've now observed a reasonable consistency between air quality (co2 and particulate) and how well I sleep.
Anyhow... I think I'm just ranting-ish now. Carry on. Bummer about the design mistake and you didn't catch it. Hopefully that's the only one.

Not at all. Just trying to figure out where you are coming from. Yeah that makes sense, I kind of painted myself in a corner with my layout only giving me so much space on that wall without omitting the sliding door into the breezeway between the house and shop. My only other option was to put the cooktop in an island and run a downdraft fan. I’m not sure an island will work with the room so I didn’t add it but arranged it so I have the option to do so. I actually probably need more in the range of 650-700 cfm with a hood that sticks out as far as I can get away with since I took the wall out between the kitchen and living room.

I actually do a large amount of cooking outside even in the winter. I am stubbing out natural gas into the breezeway with an outlet out there since it’s just outside of the kitchen.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Besides knife and pens I prefer not to carry anything in my pockets. Even wallet or cell phone is usually only there long enough to get them to a place to store them.

Yeah same, I do carry knife, pen & flashlight in my right front pocket. wallet on my right back pocket. Phone... at work, I have it on the stand. If I have to move around, in my left back pocket. RFID & work office key is attached together (flat) and carry that around my left front pocket. Car key & house key, it always stay in my backpack.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Not at all. Just trying to figure out where you are coming from. Yeah that makes sense, I kind of painted myself in a corner with my layout only giving me so much space on that wall without omitting the sliding door into the breezeway between the house and shop. My only other option was to put the cooktop in an island and run a downdraft fan. I’m not sure an island will work with the room so I didn’t add it but arranged it so I have the option to do so. I actually probably need more in the range of 650-700 cfm with a hood that sticks out as far as I can get away with since I took the wall out between the kitchen and living room.

I actually do a large amount of cooking outside even in the winter. I am stubbing out natural gas into the breezeway with an outlet out there since it’s just outside of the kitchen.

Kitchen compromises are *hard*. I might have a workable solution with a couple things I'd have preferred avoid, but... those being sink in an island, and fridge adjacent to wall ovens. Technically this will be an L shaped galley, and only circumstantially a kitchen with an island, but... also, to get around the island on one side you go down two steps and around... but I think it gets me everything I want, so.


Anyway, this might be an interesting read if you have time to shuffle some things a little... Might end up at least ditching *any* cabinet and just going with a taller hood. Enjoy the results, regardless.

[p1l0t]

MT > AT

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[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by cjd

Kitchen compromises are *hard*. I might have a workable solution with a couple things I'd have preferred avoid, but... those being sink in an island, and fridge adjacent to wall ovens. Technically this will be an L shaped galley, and only circumstantially a kitchen with an island, but... also, to get around the island on one side you go down two steps and around... but I think it gets me everything I want, so.


Anyway, this might be an interesting read if you have time to shuffle some things a little... Might end up at least ditching *any* cabinet and just going with a taller hood. Enjoy the results, regardless.

Where I really screwed up is wanting an open floor plan. The kitchen was tight and I removed the wall between the kitchen and living room. While I got my open space, I also lost a wall to put furniture against and cabinets in the kitchen and the way the rest of the living room is laid out really limits where I can put things. In hindsight I should have taken a 1/3 wall back. It still would have opened up the space but left me with wall to work with. Oh well, live and learn.

[Teseo]

Hope Government throw more covid incentive to start a garage build

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

MT > AT

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by cjd

Where would it vent if there's a cabinet at all? Home rated hoods are, at best, barely adequate - and that's at 24" depth and 6" wider than the stove, as low as it can go, and properly venting outside with good flow rate.
Also fridge to prep,not stove... Island with a prep sink could do.
I can't even find a GC yet to try to start the project to fix our kitchen. At least you have a cabinet guy?

not cheap, but i'd highly recommend romar cabinets. top quality work, and their staff has always been on point whenever i've got a question. the only gc i'd recommend has been booked at least 2 years out since january...

fyi, oakbrook is requiring any hood over 600cfm to have a make-up air intake into the room... we've been doing a lot of 700-1,000cfm units

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Not at all. Just trying to figure out where you are coming from. Yeah that makes sense, I kind of painted myself in a corner with my layout only giving me so much space on that wall without omitting the sliding door into the breezeway between the house and shop. My only other option was to put the cooktop in an island and run a downdraft fan. I’m not sure an island will work with the room so I didn’t add it but arranged it so I have the option to do so. I actually probably need more in the range of 650-700 cfm with a hood that sticks out as far as I can get away with since I took the wall out between the kitchen and living room.

I actually do a large amount of cooking outside even in the winter. I am stubbing out natural gas into the breezeway with an outlet out there since it’s just outside of the kitchen.

i'd love to see a room layout of what you've got!