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05-02-2022, 02:55 AM | #1 |
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What mods are needed for a heavily track-focused BRZ?
I'm waiting for delivery of my '23 Magnetite Gray Metallic BRZ Premium M6, expected in August. Since the order was placed, I've been researching what mods would be needed for a track focused car, and ordered quite a few parts. Considering most parts take a while to be delivered, I'd love to get your thoughts on what else I might need, or if you have feedback on whatever I've already ordered, good or bad : )
What's ordered so far:
Things that might be useful, or missing:
Thoughts? Is there anything glaringly missing in your opinion? As for me, if it's relevant, I'm quite experienced in track driving in various other platforms (NC Miata, Camaro SS 1LE, C6 Z06, C7 Z51, Z06, etc.), but this will be my first BRZ ever : ) I drive in advanced groups, and try my best to push the car and myself, but I'm not a racer or a pro. Any input would be very much appreciated!!
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Thanks for your input!
Rear LCA: I should note here that I'm trying to avoid rear LCA mod, since it will revert the new wheel rate and geometry of '22+ BRZ back to the previos gen's, and the LCA camber adjustment puts more stress on the axle, etc.; UCA adjustment avoids these issues. Toe link: Hmm, perhaps I should consider canceling the rear toe link until I really see a need. It's pretty expensive, too. Spring rates: I don't know much about the spring rates for this platform, but the rates I picked are at the highest end of the rates the coilover manufacturer recommended. I also remember someone else mentioning rear becoming too stiff with anything above 600, so perhaps this is a good compromise. I suppose we'll have to see. Sway bars: I'd love to wait on it as well, and perhaps use the budget for it on race seats : )
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I've run MCS for a couple years and am at 550 springs front and back. Very neutral handling characteristics. Not a lot of people run staggered spring rates that aren't using aero but I'm no expert in suspension dynamics so. Plus springs are relatively cheap. If you are unhappy with the rates its very easy to swap springs on the MCS damper.
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The AP Sprint BBK is great, but with Hoosiers I would consider something a little bigger. Essex has some nice new AP kits that would be a better fit IMO.
I would also recommend same brake pad compound front and rear. Yes I would use the SPL toe arm with eccentric lockout. It's worth it. Many of the aftermarket rear lower control arms had options for rear motion ratio, and some used the WRX location anyway. You could use the Cusco upper arm and then the non-adjustable STI arm with a nice sealed pillowball for the lower. The Cusco rear LCA has 2 positions as well. Make friends with your alignment person. For the front swaybar...I would consider it with the spring rates that you're running, but I would also consider running stiffer front springs instead. I think that's a decision you can save for later...for now I would see what you think, collect some data, and have fun. I would also think about replacing more bushings...at the "hoosier" level of grip that becomes more noticeable/beneficial. But something you can also do later. - Andrew |
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I think the ideal spring rate setup has also changed in the new platform, which is why the coilover manufacturers are also revising their spring rates and valving. As far as I've heard, square setup promotes significant understeer.
.. and regarding how wide 245/40/17 Hoosiers actually are: About 260-265mm!!! : P If I can make these fit, hopefully most other tires would also easily fit.. We'll have to see on the brakes. The AP sprint kit is very attractive from the point of weight savings, and my hope is that the little 228HP engine can't overwhelm it.
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Double-check your BBK w/ 17x9 RPF1s. The backside of the x9 spokes can be an issue w/ BBKs. The x8 RPF1s are contoured differently on the backside of the spokes to better accommodate BBKs.
As an apples-to-oranges comparison, here is a list of the wheels that fit the 1st Gen PP Brembos which might be useful when looking at a different BBK kit for the 2nd Gens. https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135328 |
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Himm, now I'm thinking I should cancel the wheels order (they're in backorder anyway), and order Apex ARC-8 +35 front, +42 rears. Apex said they will come up with higher offset wheels for rear fitment late this year, and I guess I could switch to those later. Thoughts?
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For what it's worth, the 450/550 with the karcepts front bar at the softest setting will be more front biased than a 550/550 set up with OEM swaybar. Then up from there as you make the bar stiffer. And that's not necessarily a bad thing! Quote:
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In other thread I mentioned that, and I am going to update my brake balance calculations based on this info (not perfect, but give some direction) Running square setup, you’re going to move the brake bias to rear axle. |
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