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That is not the kind of news I wanted to hear, but now it makes sense why I did not receive any calls from sales teams this week with allocation news.
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04-22-2022, 09:36 AM | #856 | |
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There was a sort of initial wave in Dec/Jan where a lot of dealers seemed to get their first (and for many, only) allocation but that's never happened again. I've been scanning more or less most of the NE and midwest every few weeks. |
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I don't understand why the proportion of manuals to autos is so out of whack with Toyota right now. They had to know that most early adopter enthusiasts would want the stick when buying a hot new sports car, and as time went on, the take rate would become more like the first gen (more people buying autos). What a bonehead move by manufacturing.
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Base, Automatic, Trueno Blue available on the West Coast within two weeks. PM me your # and I will forward it to my dealership contact.
Update: It's definitely not at MSRP but that's on you to negotiate. Update #2: The other thing you have to think about is Subaru is producing these. Do you really think Subaru is going to give Toyota first dibs on the production line in a tight market like this? I wonder if part of the partnership agreement was to let Subaru produce X BRZs to X-y GR86s. Last edited by drivejumpfly; 04-22-2022 at 09:55 PM. |
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I have a headache
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That is absolutely part of the agreement. It was last gen too, and it really screwed The BRZ in Europe, or maybe it was the UK I can’t remember. They essentially had to make 10 Toyotas for 1 BRZ in that market. |
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But it is only a "mistake" to some guys on the internet. It may be very well exactly what they expected.
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No, it is a mistake to not meet the needs of your target consumers in a timely and efficient manner. This is a matter of logic, plain and simple. There are scores of automatic GR86s piled up on lots, while the only stick ones available have absurd mark-ups. Perhaps, the tone deaf manual to auto ratio is a part of some agreement with Subaru for the time being, perhaps there are issues sourcing the 6 speed manual. Perhaps Toyota is trying to create some sort of artificial scarcity (which is unnecessary given the newness of this model and the supply chain issues for all cars) with the manual for the time being to drive some undisclosed agenda, it just doesn't seem very customer responsive. |
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Fuck’s sake, why is everyone’s first thought a conspiracy theory? Sales numbers impact CAFE, the AT gets far better numbers on the EPA cycle, Toyota wants to get a particular ratio for that piece of the puzzle in their overall CAFE plan. There are more buyers out there for MT than AT, so it looks like they are building a big ratio of AT, but in actuality, the MTs are arriving sold and the ATs take a minute to find the buyer. FWIW, cars.com shows 38 AT and 26 MT nationwide. So that fits in perfectly with what I said above about MT not even getting listed due to being presold.
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Perhaps as a qualifier is indicative of a conspiracy theory? I agree with your point that many manuals are arriving sold already. However, since recent sales numbers don't usually differentiate between manual and auto, there is no way to check the manufacturing numbers between the transmission choices. Toyota likely doesn't give two craps about CAFE number differences between the auto and manual GR86...Toyora has their hybrids and plug-ins to offset any hit a low-volume sports car would bring. |
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A corporation making decisions based on focus groups and intuition of managment that in hindsight turn out to be less profitable is not a conspiracy theory. It happens all the time and in many of these scenarios the people on the ground (low level employees and prospective customers) say, "We told you so." It's easy to see how this happens, while it's also easy to see why companies continue making decisions the way they do instead of just listening to their most outspoken customers (in many instances that would be worse for profits). Imagine living in a place and partaking in a lifestyle where your life is dominated by the decisions of say, Vail Resorts Inc. Day to day life is regularly peppered with analysis of their decisions and why they were made.
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True, which is why they build the ratio of AT to MT that they do. It meets the need of their overall customer base. The wants of the many outweighs the needs of the one when it comes to sales and manufacturing.
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