2023 GR86 10th Aniv, GR Supra 6MT, GR Corolla MASTER THREAD

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Robertw

GR Corolla announcement almost had we cancel my GR86 order, a proper hot hatch is very tempting, but being my second car (toy car) I decided it's better to keep the 86 order. My wallet will be happier as well lol.

Where my mind went with it was



My WRX is a bit long in the tooth, but holding up great. And it's worth a ton for it's age. Replacing it at end of the year with GRC.. I think I've done crazier things. It's a lot more money spent on cars in one year than I'd like but it couldn't be a better mix in terms of resale.

The thought of getting rid of the WRX kills me though, as does dealing with the psychological torture of Toyota's ordering system again.. I still don't have an 86 allocation yet. But I do have a major head start on GRC, knowing what I know (first in line for GRC Core at one of the bigger dealers I have 86 deposit with.) Honestly I'm afraid I can get a GRC before an 86.

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by Rustyoid

To make it overly simple, the Supra was designed as a race car. The ZF used is an absolute MONSTER for a torque converter automatic. It is faster than a manual. Its a simple case of function over form, the ZF is a better choice for maximum performance.

The funny thing is,you can't find (at least from the factory) an auto STI,but you can find them on the WRX.



Same goes for previous generation ZR1's. No autos there. Sure,you can find them on the other models,but not the ZR1.



Now ask yourself,or GM for that matter,why they didn't. The answer is quite obvious.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

The funny thing is,you can't find (at least from the factory) an auto STI,but you can find them on the WRX.



Same goes for previous generation ZR1's. No autos there. Sure,you can find them on the other models,but not the ZR1.



Now ask yourself,or GM for that matter,why they didn't. The answer is quite obvious.

The fact that they didn't offer it is proof of the fact they were targeting a narrow demographic and that is it. They are not flogging STis or ZRs to the general public as daily driver commuters.
When they did offer a CVT STi it sold out in record time.
https://www.torquenews.com/1084/all-...t-only-2-weeks

For that matter the list of cars that DON'T have MTs is far more extensive and impressive.
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-stick-shifts/

[Caeser]

I asked my dealer about the Rolla and they said they stopped taking reservations because their allocation will be low and that people already offered them thousands over and unknown MSRP. Dreams crushed.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Caeser

I asked my dealer about the Rolla and they said they stopped taking reservations because their allocation will be low and that people already offered them thousands over and unknown MSRP. Dreams crushed.

Guy at work said the same thing yesterday afternoon. The day the announcement came out he rushed straight to the dealer and they said he would already be about number eight on the list for maybe one or two cars. Salesguy said they were getting constant calls from other dealers to see if they would give them their allotment. They wouldn't even discuss possible pricing though.

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Guy at work said the same thing yesterday afternoon. The day the announcement came out he rushed straight to the dealer and they said he would already be about number eight on the list for maybe one or two cars. Salesguy said they were getting constant calls from other dealers to see if they would give them their allotment. They wouldn't even discuss possible pricing though.

This is nuts. And it's not even like they can do anything about it if they wanted to, given how the plant works or whatever. They're saying they can meet demand, and will build one too few. Methinks they are underestimating demand.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/toyota-goa...200200520.html

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fredzy

This is nuts. And it's not even like they can do anything about it if they wanted to, given how the plant works or whatever. They're saying they can meet demand, and will build one too few. Methinks they are underestimating demand.

https://www.yahoo.com/now/toyota-goa...200200520.html

Toyota may be many things but dumb is not one of them. They have a team of hundreds that plan these things not a couple of guys sitting at a table saying "oh I don't know maybe a couple of thousand".
The people of the internet need to understand that cars like these (and the 86, Supra, GR Yaris) are NEVER going into appliance vehicle production numbers. It is always "oh look how low the sales numbers are" and "They could have sold many more" but the numbers were set at least 3 years ago and they will stick to that plan no matter what.
This is planned low availability on a high demand car and is not new or unusual in any way. It is very possible they are even taking a financial loss on each unit but since the purpose is to getting people talking about Toyota they have already won and not a single car has hit a lot yet.

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Toyota may be many things but dumb is not one of them. They have a team of hundreds that plan these things not a couple of guys sitting at a table saying "oh I don't know maybe a couple of thousand".
The people of the internet need to understand that cars like these (and the 86, Supra, GR Yaris) are NEVER going into appliance vehicle production numbers. It is always "oh look how low the sales numbers are" and "They could have sold many more" but the numbers were set at least 3 years ago and they will stick to that plan no matter what.
This is planned low availability on a high demand car and is not new or unusual in any way. It is very possible they are even taking a financial loss on each unit but since the purpose is to getting people talking about Toyota they have already won and not a single car has hit a lot yet.

I get all of that, trust me, it's just disappointing. Enthusiasts already have the absolute s**t end of the stick, we don't need something that's supposed to be awesome turn out to be another cruel antagonization.

The Civic Type R for example has damaged Honda's brand for me personally. The whole situation around it has turned me off of Honda all together. Probably just bad luck with the dealers I interacted with, but I won't even consider the new one - which by the way looks like it will be a dream - or any Honda for that matter.

Subaru has been selling us the WRX and STI (RIP) for 20 years. Even the STI wasn't really a halo car in that it was never hard to get. That never hurt its brand and they must have made money on them. I guess I'll say my hope is that this GR experiment doesn't end after some unobtainable tease 2-3 year limited edition car. I hope it continues on until regs forbid it, and they actually commit to making something obtainable, even if that means down-badging it to "GR Sport" or something. We just need some fun cars.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fredzy

I get all of that, trust me, it's just disappointing. Enthusiasts already have the absolute s**t end of the stick, we don't need something that's supposed to be awesome turn out to be another cruel antagonization.

The Civic Type R for example has damaged Honda's brand for me personally. The whole situation around it has turned me off of Honda all together. Probably just bad luck with the dealers I interacted with, but I won't even consider the new one - which by the way looks like it will be a dream - or any Honda for that matter.

Subaru has been selling us the WRX and STI (RIP) for 20 years. Even the STI wasn't really a halo car in that it was never hard to get. That never hurt its brand and they must have made money on them. I guess I'll say my hope is that this GR experiment doesn't end after some unobtainable tease 2-3 year limited edition car. I hope it continues on until regs forbid it, and they actually commit to making something obtainable, even if that means down-badging it to "GR Sport" or something. We just need some fun cars.

"Enthusiasts" make up less than 1% of the car buying public but have some of the highest wish lists.

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

"Enthusiasts" make up less than 1% of the car buying public but have some of the highest wish lists.

I'm beginning to understand now why you dealers love to antagonize us

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fredzy

I'm beginning to understand now why you dealers love to antagonize us

I am not a dealer.

And they are not trying to antagonize anybody.

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I am not a dealer.

Oh, I thought you'd mentioned that somewhere. Either way I won't be indulging you further

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fredzy

Oh, I thought you'd mentioned that somewhere. Either way I won't be indulging you further

Nope. Just a rational guy that understands the how and why that we don't always get what we want and that Toyota knows exactly what they are doing.

Just hold out a couple of years and grab one when they start sitting on lots.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Toyota may be many things but dumb is not one of them. They have a team of hundreds that plan these things not a couple of guys sitting at a table saying "oh I don't know maybe a couple of thousand".
The people of the internet need to understand that cars like these (and the 86, Supra, GR Yaris) are NEVER going into appliance vehicle production numbers. It is always "oh look how low the sales numbers are" and "They could have sold many more" but the numbers were set at least 3 years ago and they will stick to that plan no matter what.
This is planned low availability on a high demand car and is not new or unusual in any way. It is very possible they are even taking a financial loss on each unit but since the purpose is to getting people talking about Toyota they have already won and not a single car has hit a lot yet.

I agree with you in principle, but the 86 is a different beast than the other two. While it won't ever be built in RAV4 volumes, once the initial furor dies down, you shouldn't have a problem finding an 86.

I seem to recall Toyota saying they'll keep making the GR Yaris as long as there is demand - it's not a one or two MY and done model. I suspect the Corolla will follow suit. It may be tougher to locate the exact one you want, but barring WWIII or the continuing chip shortage, they'll be available eventually.

It's all just an exercise in patience.