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TylerLieberman · 12-28-2021, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Arthur-A

What's wrong with Mishimoto products?

Other than everything? Nothing.

Arthur-A · 12-29-2021, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Other than everything? Nothing.

Are their products really that bad?

Sasquachulator · 03-11-2022, 06:08 PM

Thought this thread would get more exposure vs the STI EV thread but.....

The ICE STI is officially dead.

Doesnt seem like there will be an STI variant of this WRX now....

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/03/11/...-ice-canceled/

Unless it subtly hints that the STI based on this new gen WRX is ready and waiting for a reveal and any new STI's afterwards are going EV.

spcmafia · 03-11-2022, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Thought this thread would get more exposure vs the STI EV thread but.....

The ICE STI is officially dead.

Doesnt seem like there will be an STI variant of this WRX now....

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/03/11/...-ice-canceled/

Unless it subtly hints that the STI based on this new gen WRX is ready and waiting for a reveal and any new STI's afterwards are going EV.

You beat me to it. Sad news. I’m sure maybe a final edition will be released just like the Evo.

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weederr33 · 03-12-2022, 10:10 AM

This is good. This is very good news.

PulsarBeeerz · 03-12-2022, 01:43 PM

All the special editions of the last model make a bit more sense now.

Stonehorsw · 03-12-2022, 02:13 PM

Very weird news, development must be in a advanced phase. Not sure if they realized that would not meet new Cafe regulations or anything like that.

ScoobsMcGee · 03-14-2022, 05:31 PM

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...e-short-lived/

Subaru spokesperson saying they decided not to make an STI for the current gen because it would be too short lived. Even if true (not saying it is or isn't), keep in mind that the typical WRX lifecycle is ~7 years. So please ignore all the clickbaits when they translate this to "ELECTRIC WRX STI EXPECTED IN 2024!!!!"

Irace86.2.0 · 03-15-2022, 08:49 AM

I would expect a 50hp+ hybrid power train over the previous STI coupled with a beefed up FA24F motor. Why not use hybrids to torque fill down low with a larger turbo for better top end and market electric as performance with efficiency? This appeases the tuners and the regulators.

Racecomp Engineering · 03-15-2022, 10:09 AM

I personally would have loved a hybrid and I'm a little upset that we're skipping over that. I think that would have been able to last 1 full generation (~7 years). I can see why doing a full generation of an ICE only STI with a bespoke motor and so on wasn't in the cards.

All that said, I wouldn't be surprised to see a WRX tS or something here with a few STI goodies.

- Andrew

Tcoat · 03-15-2022, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

I can see why doing a full generation of an ICE only STI with a bespoke motor and so on wasn't in the cards.

All that said, I wouldn't be surprised to see a WRX tS or something here with a few STI goodies.

- Andrew

This ^

Subaru never ever said they were developing a new Gen STi. They were very clear about the WRX but not a word about an STi. The clickbaits assumed there would be an STi and even gave it stats which were obviously (as per usual) made up. There was no STi "in development" that they all of a sudden dropped.

The new WRX is built on the global platform the same as everything else now the only upgrades an STi would receive would be a special engine and some aero. The WRX is more or less going back to the old days where they were just an upgraded Impresa and not a dedicated platform as the last couple of Gens were.

All in all pretty much going the way of the Evo.

Sasquachulator · 03-15-2022, 12:47 PM

They could just keep using the EJ25 that all the STI's have been using lol.

or pump up the boost on the FA24

WolfpackS2k · 03-15-2022, 01:21 PM

Remember how the arguments against a Turbo BRZ were:

1) It can't threaten the performance hierarchy of Subarus.
2) It would cost too much.

Well now we have a BRZ that's considerably faster than a WRX and the STI has been canned. IMO that makes item #1 BS (though I realize times change from 2012). #2 definitely still true.

Tcoat · 03-15-2022, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Remember how the arguments against a Turbo BRZ were:

1) It can't threaten the performance hierarchy of Subarus.
2) It would cost too much.

Well now we have a BRZ that's considerably faster than a WRX and the STI has been canned. IMO that makes item #1 BS (though I realize times change from 2012). #2 definitely still true.

Where are you finding BRZs that go "considerably" faster than WRX?
The officially rated 0 to 60 is still .5 slower than a WRX.

03-12-2022, 10:10 AM	#187
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Sasquachulator Pavement Grey Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2020 Toyota Camry XSE, 2017 BMW X1 Location: Calgary Posts: 3,116 Thanks: 109 Thanked 2,257 Times in 1,221 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s)	Thought this thread would get more exposure vs the STI EV thread but..... The ICE STI is officially dead. Doesnt seem like there will be an STI variant of this WRX now.... https://www.autoblog.com/2022/03/11/...-ice-canceled/ Unless it subtly hints that the STI based on this new gen WRX is ready and waiting for a reveal and any new STI's afterwards are going EV.

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PulsarBeeerz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Drives: JRSC BRZ SOLD Location: Ohio Posts: 939 Thanks: 682 Thanked 741 Times in 396 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s)	All the special editions of the last model make a bit more sense now.

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03-14-2022, 05:31 PM	#190
ScoobsMcGee Junior Senior with Cheese Join Date: Aug 2014 Drives: BRZ Location: Nowhere Posts: 3,006 Thanks: 6,837 Thanked 7,049 Times in 2,345 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s)	https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...e-short-lived/ Subaru spokesperson saying they decided not to make an STI for the current gen because it would be too short lived. Even if true (not saying it is or isn't), keep in mind that the typical WRX lifecycle is ~7 years. So please ignore all the clickbaits when they translate this to "ELECTRIC WRX STI EXPECTED IN 2024!!!!"

03-15-2022, 10:09 AM	#192
Racecomp Engineering Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2016 BRZ, 2012 Paris Di2 & 2018 STI Location: Severn, MD Posts: 5,522 Thanks: 3,542 Thanked 7,419 Times in 3,035 Posts Mentioned: 311 Post(s)	I personally would have loved a hybrid and I'm a little upset that we're skipping over that. I think that would have been able to last 1 full generation (~7 years). I can see why doing a full generation of an ICE only STI with a bespoke motor and so on wasn't in the cards. All that said, I wouldn't be surprised to see a WRX tS or something here with a few STI goodies. - Andrew

03-15-2022, 12:47 PM	#194
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