Really, which is faster AT vs MT?

[Ernest72]

Love these threads. Only issue I have is with the MT purists, as if there never was and never will be a good AT. And we know that’s just not true.

And Cincy you better be good because otherwise in your next life you will driving my old 93 ford probe 4cylinder auto. Now that tranny was garbage. 😊

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by The Red One

Question for those who think they are superior Manual only driving gods/snobs :
Does your dash show a warning light on permanently that suggest you have the hill holding option on and available?

Which leads my thoughts to my other gripe about new driver oriented cars offering a manual only but has a push button parking brake.(such as a Civic SI)
I need a true emergency hand brake with my 3rd pedal for my winter driving adventures. And I dislike ABS in the winter...

I hate getting old. I find myself reactionary towards the new car tech being forced on to me.

Couldn't agree more. The ratcheting parking brake is worthless for the actual limp-home emergency situation. Thank you, Subaru for keeping the real thing.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

Love these threads. Only issue I have is with the MT purists, as if there never was and never will be a good AT. And we know that’s just not true.

And Cincy you better be good because otherwise in your next life you will driving my old 93 ford probe 4cylinder auto. Now that tranny was garbage. 😊

Or any of my old three on the tree MTs with a mechanical clutch. You have to be a true "Manual Guy" to live with those. Or as I said before a little old lady that knew no different.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Couldn't agree more. The ratcheting parking brake is worthless for the actual limp-home emergency situation. Thank you, Subaru for keeping the real thing.

Well technically you shouldn't be tying to limp anyplace if your brakes aren't working. That is why they are called emergency/parking brakes. Not that I never ever did it but still...
Besides with the dual system master cylinders how many people actually have total failure of both front and back now anyways?

[The Red One]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well technically you shouldn't be tying to limp anyplace if your brakes aren't working. That is why they are called emergency/parking brakes. Not that I never ever did it but still...
Besides with the dual system master cylinders how many people actually have total failure of both front and back now anyways?

My sister in law had a full brake failure close to home on a month old Ranger last year, pedal to the floor. Bad brake line holder install... smart enough to use emergency brake to get home, they had the wheel replaced as well, this just 3 months after getting stopped with my brothers BRZ set up for auto crossing for being low & suspicious. My bro is on here somewhere and could explain ..
The migration to Electric parking buttons really bothers me, I use the ebrake normally in the summer but in the winter I need something I can moderate to overcome the useless ABS system not wanting to stop at all on snow/ice roads. Rather have the car slow down sideways accumulating snow to help slow down than nothing at all. And the fun to be had drifting corners when the front no longer responds has become instinctive in my winter habits and will go out of my way to perfect.


Also used when on a hill to save the clutch a bit..

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by The Red One

My sister in law had a full brake failure close to home on a month old Ranger last year, pedal to the floor. Bad brake line holder install... smart enough to use emergency brake to get home, they had the wheel replaced as well, this just 3 months after getting stopped with my brothers BRZ set up for auto crossing for being low & suspicious. My bro is on here somewhere and could explain ..
The migration to Electric parking buttons really bothers me, I use the ebrake normally in the summer but in the winter I need something I can moderate to overcome the useless ABS system not wanting to stop at all on snow/ice roads. Rather have the car slow down sideways accumulating snow to help slow down than nothing at all. And the fun to be had drifting corners when the front no longer responds has become instinctive in my winter habits and will go out of my way to perfect.


Also used when on a hill to save the clutch a bit..

That is a very very VERY unusual case with modern brakes. Since the two sections are independent of each other it takes something very special to kill both at once. Maybe it was the rotors. I have heard the place that makes them really suck!
Limping home with no brakes isn't really "smart". That is what tow services are for.
I have never had the ABS "not stop" me in any conditions. Yes they are noisy and annoying but they work every single time.
I have issues with the electronic brakes since it is awkward to put on and off while putting my boat in and out of the water. Other than than in her SUV it really has no impact on me at all.
Overall would not want in a sportscar but anything else is just sort of Meh.

[The Red One]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

That is a very very VERY unusual case with modern brakes. Since the two sections are independent of each other it takes something very special to kill both at once. Maybe it was the rotors. I have heard the place that makes them really suck!
Limping home with no brakes isn't really "smart". That is what tow services are for.
I have never had the ABS "not stop" me in any conditions. Yes they are noisy and annoying but they work every single time.
I have issues with the electronic brakes since it is awkward to put on and off while putting my boat in and out of the water. Other than than in her SUV it really has no impact on me at all.
Overall would not want in a sportscar but anything else is just sort of Meh.

She was only 2 blocks from home and realised the ebrake was enough to get her home, 30km zone, brother could not find any leaking fluid as there was none left, The brake line was touching a front wheel and got severed. It did get towed to the dealer from there. She was kind of shaken from that and took her a few weeks to trust driving that truck again.

ABS: it does a really great job in the summer in the dry & in the wet. I have never had a car where ABS was even good when there is ice & hard pack snow or even on gravel roads. The ebrake kind of bypasses the ABS for the rear wheels( in the cars I had) and thus permits snow accumulation to help slowdown. All bets are off this will work at speed! It’s a tool to explore. Time to check out some rallying.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by The Red One

She was only 2 blocks from home and realised the ebrake was enough to get her home, 30km zone, brother could not find any leaking fluid as there was none left, The brake line was touching a front wheel and got severed. It did get towed to the dealer from there. She was kind of shaken from that and took her a few weeks to trust driving that truck again.

ABS: it does a really great job in the summer in the dry & in the wet. I have never had a car where ABS was even good when there is ice & hard pack snow or even on gravel roads. The ebrake kind of bypasses the ABS for the rear wheels( in the cars I had) and thus permits snow accumulation to help slowdown. All bets are off this will work at speed! It’s a tool to explore. Time to check out some rallying.

So what happened to the rear brakes?

[The Red One]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

So what happened to the rear brakes?

I don’t know, I always thought the modern brake system to be redundant enough for failure as well. Good news is after a year they had no other incident.


Checked back on his txt from that time and there still was some braking power left but the pedal was fading slowly to the floor...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Or any of my old three on the tree MTs with a mechanical clutch. You have to be a true "Manual Guy" to live with those. Or as I said before a little old lady that knew no different.

That's what I learned to drive manual on. Ford 100 pickup with a 3 on the tree. Oh, and the aforementioned Corvair with a 3 on the floor.

[2020BRZtS]

Originally Posted by The Red One

Question for those who think they are superior Manual only driving gods/snobs :
Does your dash show a warning light on permanently that suggest you have the hill holding option on and available?

Which leads my thoughts to my other gripe about new driver oriented cars offering a manual only but has a push button parking brake.(such as a Civic SI)
I need a true emergency hand brake with my 3rd pedal for my winter driving adventures. And I dislike ABS in the winter...

I hate getting old. I find myself reactionary towards the new car tech being forced on to me.

Tooooo funny. On my way home on day 1 I thought I noticed the car holding on a hill and thought I was crazy. WTF?! I pulled over to the side of the road, unwrapped the manual, and turned that crap off. Then I found GSI and the rev limiter light. Turned them off too. I bought the car because it had the fewest nannies.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well technically you shouldn't be tying to limp anyplace if your brakes aren't working. That is why they are called emergency/parking brakes. Not that I never ever did it but still...
Besides with the dual system master cylinders how many people actually have total failure of both front and back now anyways?

There's only one reservoir. If it's allowed to fully drain to the point of sucking air, the pedal goes to the floor. I was stupid enough to do it at a very young age and ever since then, I've always practiced with the handbrake just in case.


If it's a choice between limping home carefully or waiting for a tow, I'm driving. Same goes for a failed clutch release. We're getting home. My dad taught me both of those skills. The broken clutch cable was not a drill. He was my hero. We laughed about it all the way home that time. Poor starter motor.

[Vracer111]

Acceleration wise, the MT is faster than AT due to gearing and torque to the ground... close thread.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Hell, SOME people actually have a spare MT in their garage "just in case".

People?