Really, which is faster AT vs MT?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by CedN

Agree, I've had DSGs and driven PDKs, it's just as boring just a bit quicker shifting.

Agreed. The shift being quicker doesn’t make it less boring.

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

Both are still slower than a minivan, so there’s that.

I don't want to say that my main motivation in tuning my WRX was so it would finally be faster than our van, but it was definitely part of the equation. Of the three vehicles, the van is the only one I should be considering a BBK for :-|

Someone commented previously in this thread about AT being faster around town because it's easy. So true. If I accelerate from a stop light in the WRX fast enough to keep pace with the CUV/truck/minivan/bicyclist/2002 Pontiac Gran Am next to me I feel like I'm Vin Diesel slamming through all 14 gears

[Yoshoobaroo]

Again, which minivan goes 0-60 in 5.6s?

[CincyJohn]

Originally Posted by PorscheUnlimited16

. It’s simply perfect less the third pedal.

But that's the whole point. The third pedal is when I physically interact with the engine. It's exactly what makes my driving experience interactive and enjoyable. Heck, it's even fun when you miss a shift - and your like - "Sorry BRZ, that's on me."

Look, I don't have the luxury you do to own multiple cars (both cost and space, for now). If I did, it's possible I would be more willing to consider non MT cars. But until then, if it doesn't have a third pedal, it's not a consideration.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by CincyJohn

But that's the whole point. The third pedal is when I physically interact with the engine. It's exactly what makes my driving experience interactive and enjoyable.

Exactly! I’d give up the shifter before giving up the clutch! When people say they don’t understand why you want to shift yourself, they don’t get the point. It’s not the selecting the gear manually that’s the most important, the most important bit is the granular control you have about power transfer to the wheels.

[CincyJohn]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Exactly! I’d give up the shifter before giving up the clutch! When people say they don’t understand why you want to shift yourself, they don’t get the point. It’s not the selecting the gear manually that’s the most important, the most important bit is the granular control you have about power transfer to the wheels.

Yep - which is why I don't even like hill holding features. Of course, manually selecting gears has the same visceral quality. And of course, I'd have the same issue with drive-by-wire steering.

[Pat]

I'd pay another $1,000 to have a PDK in this car versus the current manual gearbox. Maybe even $2,000.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Pat

I'd pay another $1,000 to have a PDK in this car versus the current manual gearbox. Maybe even $2,000.

Performance wise, yes.

Feel wise, an H pattern is bliss

[spcmafia]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Again, which minivan goes 0-60 in 5.6s?

The one with a salty soccer mom late for practice.

[PorscheUnlimited16]

Originally Posted by Pat

I'd pay another $1,000 to have a PDK in this car versus the current manual gearbox. Maybe even $2,000.

A replacement Pdk from Porsche is nearly 20k lol. So it’d be a 50k car.

[gen3v8]

Is PDK or DSG really quicker than a manual? Seeing I`m way off topic. I mean a full sequential with three pedals.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by PorscheUnlimited16

A replacement Pdk from Porsche is nearly 20k lol. So it’d be a 50k car.

First of all, actually transplanting a PDK in an 86 is a ridiculous proposition. That's not what I'm suggesting.
Second, Porsche charges a premium of $3,210 for a PDK in a 718. That's really the way it should be framed.
So no, it wouldn't be a $50,000 car.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by gen3v8

Is PDK or DSG really quicker than a manual? Seeing I`m way off topic. I mean a full sequential with three pedals.

Yes. PDK is really quick as it is a dual clutch setup. DSG is dual clutch too but more complex. We are talking 8ms for DSG. With the added benefit of being able to left foot brake and never take your hands off the wheel unless it is to cover your face before impact.

Edit: 200ms as corrected by Dzmitry

[PorscheUnlimited16]

Originally Posted by Pat

First of all, actually transplanting a PDK in an 86 is a ridiculous proposition. That's not what I'm suggesting.
Second, Porsche charges a premium of $3,210 for a PDK in a 718. That's really the way it should be framed.
So no, it wouldn't be a $50,000 car.

They charge 3200 to upgrade from the manual which is baked into the Msrp of the Pcar. I’m sure their actual cost to make is lower. The raw cost of the tranny to us peons is 20k. Anyhow yeah it would never happen regardless. Cheapest option would be a Dsg from Vw group.