GR86/BRZ Comparison Articles

[Jianlun]

Originally Posted by Jianlun

Another thing in the article:
"The BRZ of the front stabilizer is hollow (18.3φ), while the 86 is solid (18φ), and of course, the hollow is lighter. However, "I wanted a linear hand," 86 chose solid"

Got me wondering why a solid bar is more linear than a hollow one. Cos by maths, there shouldn't be a difference within the limits of the strength of the materials.

Unless, like mentioned in this whiteline paper, it's hard to manufacture hollow bars consistently (esp the bends) and thus contribute to the "non-linearness"? More like toyota taking the easy (cheap) way out...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1628905167603

So i guess according to Car and Driver, the GR86's 18mm solid bar is stiffer than the BRZ 18.3mm hollow bar. Sounds obvious now that I say it out, but i didnt do the maths hahaha. so the GR86 has softer front springs and stiffer front bar (and of cause stiffer rear springs and bar) vs the BRZ.

[Dirty Harry]

https://www.consumerreports.org/spor...w-a6225692747/

Summary of above article: https://www.torquenews.com/1084/toyo...gr86-marry-brz

[Red-86]

I often wonder how much auto journos are stretching when claiming these ‘really noticeable’ differences in driving dynamics between the twins. I’m reminded of the famous test where wine ‘experts’ were asked to taste and describe two wines in typical wine tasting fashion, a red and a white. They duly noted the differences and described each wine in the normal red wine and white wine terms, coming up with very different descriptions. Only problem was that it was the exact same white wine, the ‘red’ one just had flavourless food colouring added!

A true ‘blind’ test would surely be needed where you either put the journo blinfolded into the passenger seat, or else remove the bumpers, badges and any identifying marks from the test cars and have them describe their honest driving impressions. I’m willing to wager many journos are just like the wine tasters, making subjective statements based on preconceptions and feeling what they expect to feel.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by Red-86

I’m willing to wager many journos are just like the wine tasters, making subjective statements based on preconceptions and feeling what they expect to feel.

Based on the YouTube coverage of the gen 2 twins, many of the journalists clearly don't even know how to drive a car properly.
One even called the car "drifting" when he had power-on understeer.

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by Red-86

I often wonder how much auto journos are stretching when claiming these ‘really noticeable’ differences in driving dynamics between the twins. I’m reminded of the famous test where wine ‘experts’ were asked to taste and describe two wines in typical wine tasting fashion, a red and a white. They duly noted the differences and described each wine in the normal red wine and white wine terms, coming up with very different descriptions. Only problem was that it was the exact same white wine, the ‘red’ one just had flavourless food colouring added!

A true ‘blind’ test would surely be needed where you either put the journo blinfolded into the passenger seat, or else remove the bumpers, badges and any identifying marks from the test cars and have them describe their honest driving impressions. I’m willing to wager many journos are just like the wine tasters, making subjective statements based on preconceptions and feeling what they expect to feel.

Luckily for these cars, all you’d have to do is put tape over the steering wheel 😂

[azndavepgh]

I'm looking forward to this one:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVS6ESKFtWP/

[Sport-Tech]

So will the ED review be TV only or also on YouTube?

[azndavepgh]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

So will the ED review be TV only or also on YouTube?

I believe they post the TV episodes on YouTube after a delay.

[azndavepgh]

Update: Season 10 of Everyday Driver starts on January 1 on the Motor Trend channel. The GR86/Miata episode might be the premiere based on the promo picture for the season.

[PBR]

I watched the Japanese press day videos. They do seem to handle differently. I want the more linear car and that's what the BRZ looks to be in stock form from what I've seen and why I chose the BRZ. Better oversteer characteristics and didn't look to be fighting for rear traction as much.

[azndavepgh]

Everyday Driver
Season 10, Episode 2 – "Affordable Fun"
The Toyota GR86 addresses most of the issues of the first generation, but can it compete with the updated Mazda MX-5?
Sunday, January 8 at 7:30 AM on the Motor Trend channel

[PBR]

[*Axel]

Originally Posted by PBR

That race seemed to be base model 22 BRZ/86 on their 17" Primacy HPs. I love how the BRZ had a slow start, then came back from 3rd position to finish first. Looks like the BRZ excels in the curves. Makes me feel good about my choice of the Premium BRZ.

[PBR]

Originally Posted by *Axel

That race seemed to be base model 22 BRZ/86 on their 17" Primacy HPs. I love how the BRZ had a slow start, then came back from 3rd position to finish first. Looks like the BRZ excels in the curves. Makes me feel good about my choice of the Premium BRZ.

Definitely. Between the BRZ and the GR86, they can be modified to taste so no wrong answer. GR86 looks to be more loose out of the box and that's a ton of fun too it not as quick around a track. Anyways, I'd like to know what tires the gen 1 was running. Maybe I missed it but didn't see anything in the vid or comments.