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Answer is probably - its worth it to piss off the one or two people who want to delete stuff. They can do it themselves for x dollars while we potentially save y (much bigger amount dollars).
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Agree on your other comments, it is a fantastic job by Toyota and Subaru and at one point we didn’t think we’d get a 2nd gen and yet here we are. We’re lucky the car exists. |
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Paid off, lighter, new parts will transfer over; long block, knuckles, etc....
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Nikitopo, I think you tend to knit pick a bit. Most likely Toyota determined the cost is the same or very close to offer the automatic HVAC controls across the board at this time. Plus, there is a continuous push to improve each successive model and this would be seen as an overall improvement.
I am happy that I have manual HVAC controls for a longterm keeper economy car as is is less likely to fail being cable operated, but the auto looks better for sure. The RC model might actually lose money due to assembly variation and or reducing economy of scale on all components. Plus I am guessing the purchasers expect to pay significantly less, not more for this special production run. The profit in this case is the grassroots marketing earned while proving the platform on a regular basis at one make or specific category racing events.
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When was this an option? It certainly wasn't in 2013. I believe the dual climate control was included in some Special Editions, but that doesn't make it an option.
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I don't recall AC being optional - it was always included even in the base Scion with the shitty radio from the 90s.
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I think it started in 17+ on the higher trim models.
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In the efforts to give the enthusiasts what they wanted they have kept to their guns on the car, at the expense of the entire EU market. By going up in engine capacity, instead of whacking on a turbo and be done with it, they have essentially killed its price for EU - Subaru wont even try. The engine not being 100hp per litre anymore has nothing to do with passion or committee, I mean I think you have been hooked into a media marking line if I'm being honest. |
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IMO the base A/C control modules is one of the worst things they did with the 1st gen, along the horrible radio. They made the radio less horrible as years went by, but the base A/C they kept available all the way until 2020... Also FYI, there are markets where only the dual-zone option was available. |
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It sounds like a couple users are really here to nitpick and want to justify by any means to stick with the first gen. It's as simple as: If you have a current gen and prefer the looks, have a connection to yours, or are strapped for cash, just keep it! Otherwise consider the upgrade!
Imagine someone who has no issue with money and has never owned an 86twin asks if they should go for the GR86 or BRZ/FRS/86, you'd be delusional not to recommend the GR86. Plain and simple. Last edited by Dylans47; 10-06-2021 at 04:04 PM. |
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I'll be totally honest with my situation, when I was looking to buy a fun car, it was either a BRZ (cuz the Scion had a shit radio and AC), Lotus Elise SC or an S2000. This was back in 2015ish.
The AC and the radio alone on the FRS turned me away from a sale. The S2000 was simply a better car overall (tranny and engine). Fast forward to 2021/2022, the GR86 now has a shifter that gets CLOSE to the S2000 (not quite - not quite sadly), the engine is finally better in performance (you can argue about sound but I'm more function over form) and the lack of a convertible is actually a PLUS for me (since I'm gonna go track it and convertibles require a SCCA approved rollbar or equivalent) and the GR86... HAS. A. TRUNK (a much more useable one). I no longer have to race on the same tires I drove to the track on. In my opinion, the GR86 is every way a better car than the first gen. It beat out an S2000 (in the numbers and capability - I am not counting the nostalgia and halo-effect the S2000 has). This isn't meant to crap on the first gens, they were and still are amazing cars to hoon and learn to drive with. I'll still happily pick one up for the right price but with 2nd hand cars being SO stupidly priced right now, the GR86 made way more sense.
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