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I can also confirm that in Canada they are taking deposits. I put mine down on September 11th, and the dealership took a refundable $1,000 deposit that will contribute toward the final price.
The guy I was working with claimed I was not the first to put a deposit on these things but he also didn’t know much about the car so I wouldn’t put too much stock in that…also gave no indication of delivery timeframe. Which colour did you end up choosing? |
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I had a chance to personally view the prototype that's been making its rounds around Canada. It looks amazing in person and its a red unlike any red Toyota has used - ever. My sales guy said I could change anything once they confirm the orders are being processed though... I have a 2 week window once they know.
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I appreciate the video though and the thoroughness of tracking, dyno testing, and drag racing all the different competitors. Great job on that and looking forward to seeing the BRZ on the dyno (assuming a production version!)
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Most people quoting dyno sessions describing peak hp and tq typically include these momentary spikes.
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Rather than crapping on they dyno data, how about taking it as a good faith effort and trying to explain it from there?
I’ve been complaining about the couple dynos from Japan for a few weeks now so I’m seeing this as a mix of explanations and probabilities. Probability that the dyno reads high? That’s there — it’s a dyno jet. Probability that it reads high and the ‘20 they had was also a dog of dogs? Definitely low. That the dyno reads low and the ‘20 reflects that and the ‘22 is a ringer of all ringers? Also probably pretty low. I come away with two bigger likelihoods: the ‘22 really is a lot better, AND it’s like some other motors I know of (including boxer motors, ahem EJ20) that make more power as they break in. There are engines that gain power after a few thousand hard miles just like there are barrels that gain velocity after a few hundred rounds. A preproduction press car could absolutely display that phenomenon. I think that’s more likely that a dyno being wonky high with the ‘22 and low with the ‘20. |
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Both the GR Supra and the GR Yaris came out like this, so its not that wild of a theory. |
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Also in your explanation, why does the 2022 car make more power with usage but the 2020 car doesn't? We could speculate all day but I think it's better to just wait for more 2022 dynos to crop up before jumping to conclusions, preferably from shops whose dynos we're more familiar with (and with actual production cars). FWIW before anyone calls me biased, I'm already planning to trade up to a GR86 so I'd love to be able to expect a 47 whp increase. But that seems unlikely and I'm not willing to declare that a fact just yet, at least not based on a single dyno.
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EDIT: Probably also has to do with the fact that torque and power are supposed to peak in the high RPM range for the 20', so they were just looking to get those peak values. 22' torque peaks much lower, so they probably wanted to capture that. |
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Don't get me wrong -- I love the numbers! I hope they stand up to further testing and it turns out Toyota/Subaru are just underrating the power figures for whatever reason.
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I'm planning on documenting the crap out of this car like I did on my S2000.
I dyno'ed that car twice in first two years with zero mods to establish reliable base lines. For the GR, I'm going to break her in and keep filling with 93 Octane gas and then dyno and then switch to 91 Octane gas and then dyno and then go BACK to 93 Octane and see what happens.
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Typically on gen 1 cars on a dynojet, they'll lose 20 lbs-ft through the torque curve. Compare that with the gen 1 car tested by King that only appears to lose 10 lbs-ft (through the half of the torque dip we can see). For whatever reason it doesn't recover and make that extra 10 lbs-ft on the top end. And we can't tell how much torque it was making before the torque dip because of the way it was dyno'd (again, assuming that's what happened). The less data there is to work with, the more difficult it is to understand what's going on. And personally I wouldn't lean too heavily on data like that, especially when the final results come out unexpectedly and it's a one-off. Everyone can do what they want, but personally I'll wait and see other results.
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Either way, things are looking pretty good and it looks like this will be as exciting as many are making it out to be. |
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a lot of keyboard dyno experts all up in here
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