New BRZ vs Z

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Yes! Anthony was the guy I was thinking of. Thanks!

Crazy bugger. I use both the threads above as a reference.

[wheelspeed]

Thank you for those two links.

I kinda hate to bring it up, because I love the light-weighting idea, and as a motorcyclist, I don't mind being responsible for repercussions of my driving, but I worry if there is ever the day that an insurance company could refuse vehicle or even health payments if an owner removed airbags, removed the side-impact-enforced doors, etc.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by wheelspeed

Thank you for those two links.

I kinda hate to bring it up, because I love the light-weighting idea, and as a motorcyclist, I don't mind being responsible for repercussions of my driving, but I worry if there is ever the day that an insurance company could refuse vehicle or even health payments if an owner removed airbags, removed the side-impact-enforced doors, etc.

There's lots of ways to reduce the weight of the vehicle before removing any safety items.

[WC-BRZ]

I truly hate Nissan's Z cars and I thought finally someone's going to point out what a bloated, fat pig of a platform it is, but no, this clown here is complaining about it not being innovative enough in a world switching to EVs

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/opi...nd-v6-disguise

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by WC-BRZ

I truly hate Nissan's Z cars and I thought finally someone's going to point out what a bloated, fat pig of a platform it is, but no, this clown here is complaining about it not being innovative enough in a world switching to EVs

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/opi...nd-v6-disguise

Guy is in witch hunt mode.

[Lelandjt]

Originally Posted by WC-BRZ

I truly hate Nissan's Z cars and I thought finally someone's going to point out what a bloated, fat pig of a platform it is, but no, this clown here is complaining about it not being innovative enough in a world switching to EVs

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/opi...nd-v6-disguise

It's weird. His complaints about the new Z are that its platform, engine, and transmission are old. Then he says he'd prefer the Emira, a car you could say the exact same things about. I'm disappointed in both those "new" cars for not being new but when you also throw the BRZ in there I guess it's obvious there's no money right now to create a fresh ICE sports car chassis.
It's also extra weird that he doesn't consider price and is comparing a $40,000 car with a $90,000 car.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by WC-BRZ

I truly hate Nissan's Z cars and I thought finally someone's going to point out what a bloated, fat pig of a platform it is, but no, this clown here is complaining about it not being innovative enough in a world switching to EVs

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/opi...nd-v6-disguise

I'm not sure where you're coming from but the Z isn't meant to be a scalpel. It's the Japanese Mustang and does its job fairly well but isn't perfect (lack of LSD, crappy factory brakes, inadequate cooling, etc.).

The new Z actually addresses some of this (proper mechanical LSD in the higher trim) and MAYBE some of the cooling? The latter won't be known until people start hitting the long term testing.

The article seems to try to "swim against the current" for the sake of being unique. Way too early to be disappointed but man I lost a few IQ points scratching my head after reading this article.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by wheelspeed

I'm interested in the future opportunity to lightweight a BRZ, within reason.

Did someone say you can drop 20# just with some 2-piece rotors for the front? Or is that rotors + aluminum calipers to drop 20#?

And, I haven't heard any mention of the rims on the Limited being forged. Is it likely to be able to drop about 5#/wheel going aftermarket? (Pittsburgh roads and winters are horrible so I could see myself selling off the stock 18"ers that come with the Limited to pick up some 17"ers and all-season tires.)

The AP sprint kit drops almost 22 lbs, but that is rotors and calipers. Throw in a lightweight battery and rear seat delete, and you can pull like 80 lbs out of the car without doing dumb stuff like gutting the interior or removing your AC.

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by Frost

I'm not sure where you're coming from but the Z isn't meant to be a scalpel. It's the Japanese Mustang and does its job fairly well but isn't perfect (lack of LSD, crappy factory brakes, inadequate cooling, etc.).

The new Z actually addresses some of this (proper mechanical LSD in the higher trim) and MAYBE some of the cooling? The latter won't be known until people start hitting the long term testing.

The article seems to try to "swim against the current" for the sake of being unique. Way too early to be disappointed but man I lost a few IQ points scratching my head after reading this article.

Zs have always had the option of a LSD. It’s a viscous one that sucks, but it does do it’s job when new.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Kona61

Zs have always had the option of a LSD. It’s a viscous one that sucks, but it does do it’s job when new.

Viscous LSDs are garbage IMO . Not offering a helical diff at the very least is an affront to customers who actually want a sports car. If Subaru can offer one standard on the BRZ, Nissan can pony up for one on the Z. Mazda had one standard on the RX8. Both are significantly cheaper than their contemporary Z’s.

That’s always been one of my biggest criticisms of BMW too, they never put a proper diff in their cars, until now that the e-diffs are widely available.

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Viscous LSDs are garbage IMO . Not offering a helical diff at the very least is an affront to customers who actually want a sports car. If Subaru can offer one standard on the BRZ, Nissan can pony up for one on the Z. Mazda had one standard on the RX8. Both are significantly cheaper than their contemporary Z’s.

That’s always been one of my biggest criticisms of BMW too, they never put a proper diff in their cars, until now that the e-diffs are widely available.

Trust me, I know just how crap they are lol. It's hilarious how they become completely open when old or hot.

[stilesg57]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Viscous LSDs are garbage IMO . Not offering a helical diff at the very least is an affront to customers who actually want a sports car. If Subaru can offer one standard on the BRZ, Nissan can pony up for one on the Z. Mazda had one standard on the RX8. Both are significantly cheaper than their contemporary Z’s.

That’s always been one of my biggest criticisms of BMW too, they never put a proper diff in their cars, until now that the e-diffs are widely available.

Ooof don’t get me started on the open diff Bimmers.

It was ok in the NA days of the E36 and E46, but insane since they moved to turbocharging. I’m eyeing a 240 right now but hate signing up for a $3k expense right out the gate with an already overpriced used car. These are 350wtq cars for godsakes — it’s borderline criminal to hobble them with a peg leg.

Sure makes me glad the Twins come with a good one right out of the box, especially if FI is in the cards.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by Kona61

Zs have always had the option of a LSD. It’s a viscous one that sucks, but it does do it’s job when new.

Viscous don't really count IMHO given it dies fairly quick.

At least the twins have a Torsen.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Viscous LSDs are garbage IMO . Not offering a helical diff at the very least is an affront to customers who actually want a sports car. If Subaru can offer one standard on the BRZ, Nissan can pony up for one on the Z. Mazda had one standard on the RX8. Both are significantly cheaper than their contemporary Z’s.

That’s always been one of my biggest criticisms of BMW too, they never put a proper diff in their cars, until now that the e-diffs are widely available.

The M cars always had proper diffs IIRC. A proper diff vs using the rear brakes is likely not a concern for someone leasing a cheap BMW to make themselves look like they have money.