Toyota Debuts All New GR 86 - North America Release / Info!

[MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires]

Originally Posted by Brz-123

Everyone is talking about track feel. Most of these cars will be daily drivers or weekend fun cars. I am interested to find how how they are as a daily and can't yet find a proper road review.

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here's topher doing some backroad driving in the gr86

little bit in this one too:

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Brz-123

Everyone is talking about track feel. Most of these cars will be daily drivers or weekend fun cars. I am interested to find how how they are as a daily and can't yet find a proper road review.

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From what i read they dont seem all that much different than the first gen in everyday driving, except with more power.

Its on the track where the improvements are most noticeable.

[Brz-123]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

From what i read they dont seem all that much different than the first gen in everyday driving, except with more power.



Its on the track where the improvements are most noticeable.

That's the conclusion I am getting to as well and hence don't see the reason to upgrade. I've spent so long perfecting mine for the road that it seems a shame to move on , unless they can market the road worthiness to me.

Cosworth SC for more torque.. Full sound deadening for a quieter cabin , audio upgrade is what I broadly have and is what I want

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[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

From what i read they dont seem all that much different than the first gen in everyday driving, except with more power.

Its on the track where the improvements are most noticeable.

Jason Cammisa specifically said the opposite.
He said the new car is much nicer to live with, while the old one is only "good" when you're driving 7/10 or harder.

Just to clarify, he wasn't talking about absolute speed. Of course the new one is faster on the track. But, according to him, the old one was fun enough when driven hard — not so much when you drive "normally". The new one is faster on the track and nicer on regular roads.

[Brz-123]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Jason Cammisa specifically said the opposite.

He said the new car is much nicer to live with, while the old one is only "good" when you're driving 7/10 or harder.



Just to clarify, he wasn't talking about absolute speed. Of course the new one is faster on the track. But, according to him, the old one was fun enough when driven hard — not so much when you drive "normally". The new one is faster on the track and nicer on regular roads.

It is a very qualitative statement, not quantitative. That's the issue here.

More sound insulation? More Road biased suspension? What exactly makes it better for the road except less torque dip?

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[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Jason Cammisa specifically said the opposite.
He said the new car is much nicer to live with, while the old one is only "good" when you're driving 7/10 or harder.

Just to clarify, he wasn't talking about absolute speed. Of course the new one is faster on the track. But, according to him, the old one was fun enough when driven hard — not so much when you drive "normally". The new one is faster on the track and nicer on regular roads.

I think he meant "nicer" as in more comfortable, not more fun. The more reviews I see, the more I think they refined the car, same as the Cayman throughout its generation. This is quite expected, but I'm not happy about it. Still, nothing beats a personal test drive, so the jury is still out.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by Brz-123

It is a very qualitative statement, not quantitative. That's the issue here.

More sound insulation? More Road biased suspension? What exactly makes it better for the road except less torque dip?

Read the text on his IG post: https://www.instagram.com/p/CSrFHQ_HRvr/

And watch this video starting from 11:08

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by Brz-123

It is a very qualitative statement, not quantitative. That's the issue here.

More sound insulation? More Road biased suspension? What exactly makes it better for the road except less torque dip?

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Well you see... that's just it. More torque! Brings far more smiles on a daily cruise, even with all other things equal.

[StE92ve]

https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-one-t...ett-1847573044

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Interesting feature they mentioned (that I recall being on the first generation too). "Smart Stop Technology" activates when both the gas and brake are pressed at the same time, and seems to affect the throttle. Notionally it's a safety feature (that the Prius idiots that cannot tell gas from brake...), though it sounds like certain low grip driving conditions have triggered that feature on gen1.

Toyota had a few cases where senior citizens in Japan had smashed into buildings from parking lots. The public sort of pressured them into this sort of feature there. I’m sure a few here and everywhere else with all makes snd models that have push button transmission selectors and vague signs of cars being in gear or drive modes.

World becoming too litigious for features also add to the fire I guess… In the old days, we’d just dismiss this by saying we should retire drivers who are incapable of driving safely, but in today’s world, discrimination and standards of society prevents that sort of remark too.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

Toyota had a few cases where senior citizens in Japan had smashed into buildings from parking lots. The public sort of pressured them into this sort of feature there. I’m sure a few here and everywhere else with all makes snd models that have push button transmission selectors and vague signs of cars being in gear or drive modes.

World becoming too litigious for features also add to the fire I guess… In the old days, we’d just dismiss this by saying we should retire drivers who are incapable of driving safely, but in today’s world, discrimination and standards of society prevents that sort of remark too.

Lol, my grandfather drove into a bank. Then they (thankfully) took his license. No amount of safety features was going to make it safe for him to be driving. Hopefully this is something that gets turned off with pedal dance (assuming that's still a thing).

[mazeroni]

I mean, these systems can only do so much. But yea, combine instant 1G acceleration with a growing population of older people who easily get confused about gas and brake, and park from drive, these features will only become more prevalent.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

[url]I mean, these systems can only do so much. But yea, combine instant 1G acceleration with a growing population of older people who easily get confused about gas and brake, and park from drive, these features will only become more prevalent.

You see this a lot on rec. vehicles and motorcycles too. People forget to let go of the throttle when they aren't used to hand controls, or they don't understand how quickly the power comes on when you twist a throttle.

[Ultramaroon]

Driving should be regulated on levels approaching those for piloting aircraft. The burden for entry need not be financial, but demonstration of competence, including platform-specific should be required. The way we, in the U.S., hand out driver's licenses is laughable.