New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Stonehorsw]

[Irace86.2.0]

It was always banned, but not checked. Now it will be checked, but someone can reflash a stock tune or remove a chipped product and then flash back to the aftermarket tune. The only thing this does is make it necessary to have a tune and flashing device like a ECUTEK to flash back and forth. This really isn’t a big deal. They are just hoping to catch or reduce some of the pops n bang tuned cars and dirty diesels doing smoke rolls.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

It was always banned, but not checked. Now it will be checked, but someone can reflash a stock tune or remove a chipped product and then flash back to the aftermarket tune. The only thing this does is make it necessary to have a tune and flashing device like a ECUTEK to flash back and forth. This really isn’t a big deal. They are just hoping to catch or reduce some of the pops n bang tuned cars and dirty diesels doing smoke rolls.

I can't stand these idiots.

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

It was always banned, but not checked. Now it will be checked, but someone can reflash a stock tune or remove a chipped product and then flash back to the aftermarket tune. The only thing this does is make it necessary to have a tune and flashing device like a ECUTEK to flash back and forth. This really isn’t a big deal. They are just hoping to catch or reduce some of the pops n bang tuned cars and dirty diesels doing smoke rolls.

Good to have feedback from some local. I disagree with the stated intent, the intent is to ban ALL ECU changes, they may have used the excuse based on something that they would get support (or less push-back) from people.

I do not like pop and bangs, nor roll coal, also do not like lots of other modifications (some are immediate safety hazards), but I can’t say that those should be prohibited.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Stonehorsw

Good to have feedback from some local. I disagree with the stated intent, the intent is to ban ALL ECU changes, they may have used the excuse based on something that they would get support (or less push-back) from people.

I do not like pop and bangs, nor roll coal, also do not like lots of other modifications (some are immediate safety hazards), but I can’t say that those should be prohibited.

They didn’t ban all ECU changes.

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

They didn’t ban all ECU changes.

Good to hear. And seems to be more complicated than what I thought.

Anyways, I hope that things does not get out of hand, that they do not penalize people that did the changes before the law being issued.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Stonehorsw

Good to hear. And seems to be more complicated than what I thought.

Anyways, I hope that things does not get out of hand, that they do not penalize people that did the changes before the law being issued.

Well, most tunes modify emissions. The annoying pops n bangs and coal roll-bys are bad for emissions, but pretty much most tunes add emissions, so a person will need an executive order for their tune. Many superchargers and turbochargers have these and are legal. They just want to get rid of illegal tunes, but modifications are still possible.

[brzlegend]

They should have kept a few instead of executing them all.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by brzlegend

They should have kept a few instead of executing them all.

I don't really get the joke, but that video was funny, yet the parallel isn't accurate, nor may be his examination of the cause of the witch trials.

Behringer also suggests an increase in witch prosecutions due to socio-political destabilization, stressing the Little Ice Age's effects on food shortages, and the subsequent use of witches as scapegoats for consequences of climatic changes.[72] The Little Ice Age, lasting from about 1300 to 1850,[73] is characterized by temperatures and precipitation levels lower than the 1901–1960 average.[74] Historians such as Wolfgang Behringer, Emily Oster, and Hartmut Lehmann argue that these cooling temperatures brought about crop failure, war, and disease, and that witches were subsequently blamed for this turmoil.[75][76][77] Historical temperature indexes and witch trial data indicate that, generally, as temperature decreased during this period, witch trials increased.[77] Additionally, the peaks of witchcraft persecutions overlap with hunger crises that occurred in 1570 and 1580, the latter lasting a decade.[76] Problematically for these theories, it has been highlighted that, in that region, the witch hunts declined during the 1630s, at a time when the communities living there were facing increased disaster as a result of plague, famine, economic collapse, and the Thirty Years' War.[78] Furthermore, this scenario would clearly not offer a universal explanation, for trials also took place in areas which were free from war, famine, or pestilence.[79] Additionally, these theories—particularly Behringer's —have been labeled as oversimplified.[80] Although there is evidence that the Little Ice Age and subsequent famine and disease was likely a contributing factor to increase in witch persecution, Durrant argues that one cannot make a direct link between these problems and witch persecutions in all contexts.[80]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_...nterpretations


Scientists have explanations for the possible cause of the Little Ice Age, and those explanations include evidence that humans and natural phenomenon could have contributed to the weather changes. Worth noting is that scientists also have analyzed the evidence for what is causing the current warming trends, and they have concluded it is emissions linked to human activity. Even if the temperature was natural causes, the greenhouse gas emissions are off the charts, and their trajectory has profound consequences if they were to continue unchecked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little...ossible_causes

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Well, most tunes modify emissions. The annoying pops n bangs and coal roll-bys are bad for emissions, but pretty much most tunes add emissions, so a person will need an executive order for their tune. Many superchargers and turbochargers have these and are legal. They just want to get rid of illegal tunes, but modifications are still possible.

Most, not all. Also driver behaviour, engine swaps, tires, tire pressure, lack of maintenance, vehicle age, traffic jam, bad roads, lower temperatures…

By the way. How it works for engine swap?

[brzlegend]

It's not a joke they believed the witches caused the mini ice age so it was true just like everything that people believe now and I'm sure people were screaming from the roof tops just like today.


If we only had some weather changing witches left, California wouldn't be complete covered in water like predicted in the 1990s, trust the science, from what year I am not sure

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I don't really get the joke

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Stonehorsw

Most, not all. Also driver behaviour, engine swaps, tires, tire pressure, lack of maintenance, vehicle age, traffic jam, bad roads, lower temperatures…

By the way. How it works for engine swap?

Yep lots of things. The exceptions might be for features like launch control or rev match, but unfortunately there isn’t a way to see if the tune adds features to a factory tune or if it is altering emission components.

In California, someone is allowed to swap the same year or newer engine into any chassis, as long as they use the factory tune and don’t modify any emission components. Then you have to go make an appointment and get signed off on your swap.

California has areas of exemption for annual renewals, and they have an eight year exemption on new vehicles before they start testing, so someone could find ways of avoiding testing if they wanted, but they take the risk of having their hood pooped and then getting sent to the state referee. Overall, the state could be far more anal than people make it out to be, but they typically try to cast their nets on the worst offenders and largest areas. If they really were anal about it then they also wouldn’t have exemptions for older vehicles like classic cars.

This legislation is mostly after people who are annoying. We live next to an intersection on the edge of town where people like to do donuts in the middle of the intersection in the middle of the day, or they like to race from the light, or you hear them fly by with super loud pops n bangs or with cat and muffler deletes. First they made the exhaust law and now they are going after pops n bangs n coal rollers. Emissions is a component, but it is probably rich people just tired of the noise pollution at 1am.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by brzlegend

It's not a joke they believed the witches caused the mini ice age so it was true just like everything that people believe now and I'm sure people were screaming from the roof tops just like today.


If we only had some weather changing witches left, California wouldn't be complete covered in water like predicted in the 1990s, trust the science, from what year I am not sure

Well, I just posted something refuting that theory because not all areas were feeling the same effects of the little ice age, yet they were still have witch trials suggesting weather wasn’t the chief or only cause.

Regardless of what you believe about average global temperatures or changes in weather phenomenon. Do you think these numbers and trends are sustainable and will have no impact if left unchecked?







Remember when the world was burning a giant hole in our ozone? That was a big problem. We worked globally to stop the trend by reducing chlorofluorocarbon emissions. I don’t really get why people seemed to understand then what they refuse to accept now.





https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...amp/ncna835971

The data, from NASA's Earth-orbiting Aura satellite, indicate that depletion of the protective ozone layer over Antarctica was about 20 percent lower during the 2016 Antarctic winter (early July to mid-September) than during the same period in 2005.

Experts say the mending of the hole is attributable to series of international regulations on chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) — the manmade chemicals known to promote the breakdown of ozone molecules (O3) — that were adopted beginning in 1987. CFCs were once found in aerosol sprays, refrigerants, solvents, and other products.

"We may have turned the corner on O3 depletion," Dr. Susan Strahan, an atmospheric scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and the lead author of a paper about the satellite data, told MACH in an email. "But it's important that all the nations of the world continue to abide by the Montreal Protocol (and its amendments) that ban CFC production."

Strahan said the recovery would continue at a slow pace because CFCs are long-lived molecules that persist in the atmosphere for decades. "We hope to see the O3 hole gone between 2060 and 2080," she added.

https://www.sciencediplomacy.org/art...treal-protocol

Here is a good history on the politics of the ozone layer. There are parallels and distinct differences offering explanations as to why climate science on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions has garnered more resistance.

[pgranberg11]

the sad part behind this climate change is that it isn't even the cars. have you guys seen how much pollution BOATS produce??? and EPA doesn't say shit about that.