Anyone not buying to avoid early issues like 1st gen FRS?

[steverife]

Instructing at an autocross, I've driven both on the same day. I found the FRS very neutral and the BRZ with a tendency to understeer.

...and once you start messing with tires and alignment and bars and whatnot, things even out.

[2020BRZtS]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Bull. Pickup trucks are far worse. People drove rwd for decades without everybody spinning down every road with a curve in it.
This whole “rwd takes special care and skill” thing that has developed is hilarious.

5 star comment, Tcoat. I also find it funny that the first thing people say is "how do you drive it in the winter?" It takes patience and a different technique to drive it in the wet/snow but definitely manageable.

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

The 1st year issues are always exaggerated. you're still buying a car with a warranty after all. Yes the early cars typically have more recalls, but on the BRZ/gt86 it was pretty much limited to tail light gaskets.

Note: The big scary valve spring recall was not a 1st year production issue, it affected other Subarus that had been in production for a while as well. Metal supplier faked the material certification reports for a batch of valve springs. Very shitty, but not exactly under Subaru's control.

Until you run out of warranty and those plagued issues show up after

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

People still pretend that MY13 cars were blowing up left and right from valve springs when that wasn't the case at all.. Some were even foolish enough to the sell the car for a loss after the recall and blame the car despite the faults being clearly linked to technicians.



This new car comes with a warranty and lessons learned. There's no beta version.

IMO, just because a car comes with a warranty, it doesn't mean you want to use it...especially when I sent my FRS to the dealership like 20+ times and drove multiple loaner cars. The more issues the car has, the more you want to just get rid of it... which led to the ultimate decision of me dumping my 13 FRS which I put like thousands of dollars in like Wilwoods, Flex A, Work Emotion Kiwami, etc etc.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by N1rve

IMO, just because a car comes with a warranty, it doesn't mean you want to use it...especially when I sent my FRS to the dealership like 20+ times and drove multiple loaner cars. The more issues the car has, the more you want to just get rid of it... which led to the ultimate decision of me dumping my 13 FRS which I put like thousands of dollars in like Wilwoods, Flex A, Work Emotion Kiwami, etc etc.

In the mean time...my '13 (with a VIN below 300) has been in the shop exactly once for non-maintenance work, and that was for the valve spring recall, which as @Yoshoobaroo says wasn't a Year One problem, I could have avoided because by the time I had it done I was well over 100K miles.

I suspect my experience is way more typical than yours.

EDIT: oops, I forgot about the high pressure fuel pump. I did have it replaced under the tech bulletin, just as the warranty was about to run out. It wasn't because I was having an issue (I didn't even really have the crickets it was supposed to fix) but it was the chance to get a zero mile fuel pump for free.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Bull. Pickup trucks are far worse. People drove rwd for decades without everybody spinning down every road with a curve in it.
This whole “rwd takes special care and skill” thing that has developed is hilarious.

*Laughs in FWD*

It's just RWD ego at it's best.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by 2020BRZtS

5 star comment, Tcoat. I also find it funny that the first thing people say is "how do you drive it in the winter?" It takes patience and a different technique to drive it in the wet/snow but definitely manageable.

My SO thinks the 86 felt safer and more controlled in the winter than my CTR, could've just been my tires though.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

*Laughs in FWD*

It's just RWD ego at it's best.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by N1rve

... I sent my FRS to the dealership like 20+ times and drove multiple loaner cars. The more issues the car has, the more you want to just get rid of it... which led to the ultimate decision of me dumping my 13 FRS ...

... and then bought a BMW?

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

... and then bought a BMW?

an M4....

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

... and then bought a BMW?

Most reliable car I've own so far (I've had 5 cars prior to the M4). Far more reliable than the FRS By year 3 of the FR-S I've probably had 2 engines. Still on the same one on the F82 @ year 3.

[GraysonGreene]

Originally Posted by N1rve

Most reliable car I've own so far (I've had 5 cars prior to the M4). Far more reliable than the FRS By year 3 of the FR-S I've probably had 2 engines. Still on the same one on the F82 @ year 3.

So 3 years into not having an FRS, why are you posting this to an 86 forum? Shouldn't you be on the bimmer forums talking about how the FRS isn't reliable? Genuinely curious

[N1rve]

Originally Posted by GraysonGreene

So 3 years into not having an FRS, why are you posting this to an 86 forum? Shouldn't you be on the bimmer forums talking about how the FRS isn't reliable? Genuinely curious

Still following the GR86 Would be a nice toy to play with but learned my lesson from FRS to not buy 1st year. Which is why I am posting in GR86 section, not FR-S or BRZ.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by GraysonGreene

Shouldn't you be on the bimmer forums

BimmerPOST yo! Bimmerforums is for the olds rolling around in E34s and E39s!

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by N1rve

Still following the GR86 Would be a nice toy to play with but learned my lesson from FRS to not buy 1st year. Which is why I am posting in GR86 section, not FR-S or BRZ.

Well, you still could look at a 1.5 gen as a toy. I think it would be worth the second glance if they drop in price sharply from the release of second gen.