New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by soundman98

the volt is an electric car with a backup gasoline generator that charges the batteries whenever they get below 50%. it's different than other typical hybrid setups in the fact that the gas motor is not physically connected to the driveline.

I understand that, it has basically the same technology as the diesel/electric engine used in locomotives. I guess Carvana is really using "electric" to mean EV.

Of course GM calls it an EV and you are correct, even in extended range mode it runs off of electricity except in some rare occasions where the ICE connects to the drivetrain to assist rather than purely driving the batteries.

I almost bought one when they first came out. Had the range been 100 miles I would have (it would have covered my standard commute).

What I would like is a full range EV (200+ miles) with the generator.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by soundman98

it's just too bad that gm is one of the worst offenders in breaking my first rule. i need to be able to drive the vehicle with no radio installed for a week without issues that would affect drivability or convenience of any other feature(like HVAC not working)

I think that ship may have sailed. Pretty much any EV breaks that rule, and huge number of ICE do these days. That's partially due to the amount of buyers that don't care anything about the headunit except that it does Carplay or Android Auto.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I think that ship may have sailed. Pretty much any EV breaks that rule, and huge number of ICE do these days. That's partially due to the amount of buyers that don't care anything about the headunit except that it does Carplay our Android Auto.

and that's why i intend to keep what i got for as impossibly long as possible.

[WolfpackS2k]

You guys realize that when you need a truck you can...rent one

I live in NC (land of the Carolina Squat - ugh) and I can probably list on one hand the number of people I know that own trucks and actually use them for what they can do.

(I'm all for people to buy whatever they want, but the justification of "needing" the utility of a fullsize pickup is pretty funny).

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

You guys realize that when you need a truck you can...rent one

I live in NC (land of the Carolina Squat - ugh) and I can probably list on one hand the number of people I know that own trucks and actually use them for what they can do.

(I'm all for people to buy whatever they want, but the justification of "needing" the utility of a fullsize pickup is pretty funny).

Ive seen this argument and i think its valid if you barely use the truck for truck things.

But not everyone wants to or cares to constantly spend money renting something to do something when they rather have the thing themselves.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

You guys realize that when you need a truck you can...rent one

That is pretty much true of anything you don't use on a daily/weekly basis though. Heck I have a shop full of tools I might use once or twice a year that I could probably rent instead. As @Sasquachulator says, sometimes you just prefer to use your own tools for the job.

In the end though, I agree with you that 1) you should be able to own what you want to own and 2) what you own doesn't always make sense for the mission you have.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Ive seen this argument and i think its valid if you barely use the truck for truck things…

But not everyone wants to or cares to constantly spend money renting something to do something when they rather have the thing themselves.

…which is the vast majority of truck owners. Seems like the majority of people could rent a truck to tow or rent an ICE for a speedier cross country trip. The rest of the year they could save money on gas, on higher insurance and the higher cost of purchasing a truck. People just like their big trucks though.

According to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling—putting something in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/...cowboy-costume

Maybe we need to revive the El Camino.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Maybe we need to revive the El Camino.

I would love if they did that, but the same argument applies.

Ask the right questions and it also applies to Sports Cars, minivans, luxury sedans, hypercars, motorized scooters, bicycles, Air Jordans......

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

…which is the vast majority of truck owners. Seems like the majority of people could rent a truck to tow or rent an ICE for a speedier cross country trip. The rest of the year they could save money on gas, on higher insurance and the higher cost of purchasing a truck. People just like their big trucks though.



https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/...cowboy-costume

Maybe we need to revive the El Camino.

Why don't you just rent a fast car when you don't just need to commute from point a to point b in traffic? Would be much more cost effective than owning and operating one yourself, and having to fix it when the engine goes

Also, it definitely depends on where you live how much trucks get used for truck things. I know of many truck owners that tow stuff or haul stuff multiple times a month. They are pretty useful in winter too.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I would love if they did that, but the same argument applies.

Ask the right questions and it also applies to Sports Cars, minivans, luxury sedans, hypercars, motorized scooters, bicycles, Air Jordans......

Well I would imagine most people in sporty cars use the handling and performance every day. They may not track the car, but they experience the improved acceleration and handling daily. I’m sure most minivan owners are taking advantage of the convenience of a minivan when driving their kids around daily. Etc. I get what you are trying to say, but I don’t think it is equally as bad.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Why don't you just rent a fast car when you don't just need to commute from point a to point b in traffic? Would be much more cost effective than owning and operating one yourself, and having to fix it when the engine goes

Also, it definitely depends on where you live how much trucks get used for truck things. I know of many truck owners that tow stuff or haul stuff multiple times a month. They are pretty useful in winter too.

I drive it like I stole it all the time. I use my sporty cars daily. That, and building cars is my hobby. A sporty car accelerates faster. It handles better just taking turns at lower speeds. It is all about the feel every moment. I don’t think a truck feels much different than an SUV. A truck is a utility vehicle. It is like owning a Swiss Army knife, but only ever using the standard blade.

A truck can be useful. The survey demonstrates that they aren’t used for their utility that often or at all. The vast majority of truck owners may never need a truck or is just using it for commuting. This goes to the argument of the feasibility that EVs will replace utility vehicles like trucks that tow. Apparently, this just might not be a problem. Perhaps people will just rent that Ford F250 King Ranch edition when they need to haul once a year, and then they drive an EV the rest of the year.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Maybe we need to revive the El Camino.

i was fully on board for the hyundai santa cruz. and then they took a 4-door suv, hacked off the roof, and called it macaroni...

i do keep looking at kei trucks though... major detractors there is RHD, and paying $15-30k for a 25+y/o vehicle, of which all parts need to be special ordered from another country, if they're even available at all anymore because it's 25 years old...

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Well I would imagine most people in sporty cars use the handling and performance every day. They may not track the car, but they experience the improved acceleration and handling daily. I’m sure most minivan owners are taking advantage of the convenience of a minivan when driving their kids around daily. Etc. I get what you are trying to say, but I don’t think it is equally as bad.

Depends on where you live. I drive my jeep much more often than my cars. The roads around here are such that I have to carefully choose my route if driving the eight six or trans am. I don't like beating them up over potholes and risking bending a rim with the low profile tires.

I think you reasoning definitely applies to most metro or suburban areas, but there's a still a lot of rural areas where a truck/SUV or even good ground clearance AWD CUV is more of a need than a luxury.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I drive it like I stole it all the time. I use my sporty cars daily. That, and building cars is my hobby. A sporty car accelerates faster. It handles better just taking turns at lower speeds. It is all about the feel every moment. I don’t think a truck feels much different than an SUV. A truck is a utility vehicle. It is like owning a Swiss Army knife, but only ever using the standard blade.

A truck can be useful. The survey demonstrates that they aren’t used for their utility that often or at all. The vast majority of truck owners may never need a truck or is just using it for commuting. This goes to the argument of the feasibility that EVs will replace utility vehicles like trucks that tow. Apparently, this just might not be a problem. Perhaps people will just rent that Ford F250 King Ranch edition when they need to haul once a year, and then they drive an EV the rest of the year.

I would like to see the demographics of the people who took that survey.

I can't drive to the post office and back without seeing 15 trucks with equipment in the bed or pulling a trailer behind it. Granted this is a pretty rural area but even when I'm around one of the larger metros seeing trucks being used as trucks is a very common occurrence.