Why aren't you vaccinated yet? [CLOSED DUE TO POLITICS]

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I think you numbers a little off there @jeffchap, at least for Georgia. Here are the numbers from my state.

I agree with you that you are at less risk the younger you are (although there are some long-term respiratory issues for many survivors regardless of age) but at least use a correct number so you don't negate your own argument.

If Georgians can't trust their Republican election officials, can they trust their disease control officials?

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

And apparently we’re doing something right considering how many people have been leaving CA and coming here. Talk about a virus...

You can have our rejects.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

If Georgians can't trust their Republican election officials, can they trust their disease control officials?

Nice deflection...

I don't trust any politician regardless....

[wbradley]

I hate when people try to politicize everything. In general politics is about manipulation and power.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

House always wins fyi, and house is covid

Well, the house has a current loss rate of nearly 99%. Poor analogy.

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by jeffchap

In a couple years, once they've been fully FDA approved (they haven't yet -- google it) and there are no unintended side effects, I'll probably start taking mRNA vaccines. But I don't want to be in this first round of trials. I still remember when thalidomide, celebrex and fen-phen were once considered safe, only to later be pulled from the market.

They've been working on mRNA vaccines for over a decade, but never brought them to market until everyone panicked over Covid. Do some research yourself to see why not.

How many of you jumped at the chance to get the vaccine, yet say you would never take a chance on a first model year of a new car? Now which poses the most direct risk to you?

Luckily, my entire family and I all had Covid and survived (just like 99.97% of everyone else under 85). So according to most medical experts including Fauci, we're likely to have a longer lasting and more extensive immunity than those taking the vaccine anyway. So why risk it?

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Actually, mRNA vaccination provides a more robust immune response than being infected with covid:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...089v2.full.pdf
"mRNA vaccines induce higher Ab levels and greater Ab breadth than natural
exposure to infection
Mean MFI signals for each of the novel coronavirus antigens in the natural exposure
(actOC and Santa Ana Cares) and vaccination (HCW) groups are plotted in Figure 5A.
Natural exposure in seropositive people induces Abs against NP and all of the spike
fragments (RBD, S1, S2 and S1+S2) with highest levels against NP, full-length spike
(S1+S2) and the S2 domain. The S1 and RBD domains` antibody reactivity are lower in
naturally exposed individuals.
Vaccinated individuals have high Ab levels against full-length spike and the S2 domain
of SARS-CoV-2 Spike, and significantly higher levels of Ab against S1 and the RBD
domains. In natural exposure there was no significant cross-reactivity against SARS S1
or RBD domains. However the vaccine induced significant cross-reactive Abs against
the SARS spike. Cross-reactivity against SARS NP and full-length MERS S protein is
evident in both the natural exposure and vaccinated groups. These results show that
the Ab responses against Spike RBD variants are significantly elevated in vaccinated
individuals compared to those naturally exposed. Vaccination induces more robust Ab
response than natural exposure alone, suggesting that those who have recovered from
COVID may well benefit from the vaccination. "


I agree though that you do have a degree of protection/immunity having already been infected.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Well, the house has a current loss rate of nearly 99%. Poor analogy.

And nobody should have the right to potentially expose someone else to that risk no matter how minimal you perceive it to be to yourself.

I keep saying this, either you are part of the solution or part of the problem. Or we can bring everything to a grinding stop every time someone decides an mRNA vaccine is far too risky for them.
Usually the same people can be seen super sizing it at the closest fast food place.

[alphasaur]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

WWII US deaths, according to the Department of Veteran Affairs, is 405,399. We blew past that number months ago. As I read in the history books, there were some sacrifices of freedom involved in fighting WWII. Some may even say that their freedoms were limited in the struggle, against their wills. People who refused to fight were forced into service or imprisoned.

The scientific facts are clear, with zero evidence to the contrary: COVID is a terrible threat. The paths forward are clear, too. In a moral and just world, those "conscientious objectors" would either seal themselves up at home until this is all over, their form of service, or go to prison and be shunned for the rest of their lives.

You're clearly fear mongering/embelishing. Yes covid is dangerous but it's not equivalent to WWII lol. How many of the americans that perished would have died sans the war? Probably a low number considering the low average age and health required in order to be a viable soldier.

How many of the covid deaths would have died if covid didn't exist? An arguably higher percentage.

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

U can get reinfected. It's not a one time deal like other diseases. And u'd rather take the chance to get covid and hopefully not die vs getting a vaccine that may have some (or none at this point) side effects but not kill u? U sound like a gambler. House always wins fyi, and house is covid

There is not a ton of compelling evidence that you can get it twice, there also is not a ton of evidence that mortality remains the same if you have gotten it twice.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by wbradley

And nobody should have the right to potentially expose someone else to that risk no matter how minimal you perceive it to be to yourself.

I keep saying this, either you are part of the solution or part of the problem. Or we can bring everything to a grinding stop every time someone decides an mRNA vaccine is far too risky for them.
Usually the same people can be seen super sizing it at the closest fast food place.

If society lived based on that rule of making it to where nobody was a potential risk towards anybody else, we'd all be confined to our homes for eternity.

Every time you step out your front door, you risk not coming home at the end of the day. How great that risk is depends on what you're doing, where you're doing it, and who you're doing it with.

Probability of death from Covid is about 1:1,000 (generally speaking, excluding those at high risk). Your probability of death from a pedestrian accident in your lifetime is about 1:600. I assume you aren't about to isolate yourself at home indefinitely for fear of a car accident?

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by alphasaur

You're clearly fear mongering/embelishing. Yes covid is dangerous but it's not equivalent to WWII lol. How many of the americans that perished would have died sans the war? Probably a low number considering the low average age and health required in order to be a viable soldier.

How many of the covid deaths would have died if covid didn't exist? An arguably higher percentage.



There is not a ton of compelling evidence that you can get it twice, there also is not a ton of evidence that mortality remains the same if you have gotten it twice.

We have a pretty good idea. I think it was Irace86 who just recently posted a graph describing exactly this.


The answer is: Covid 19 killed more people than we currently attribute to Covid 19 infection.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

If society lived based on that rule of making it to where nobody was a potential risk towards anybody else, we'd all be confined to our homes for eternity.

Every time you step out your front door, you risk not coming home at the end of the day. How great that risk is depends on what you're doing, where you're doing it, and who you're doing it with.

Probability of death from Covid is about 1:1,000 (generally speaking, excluding those at high risk). Your probability of death from a pedestrian accident in your lifetime is about 1:600. I assume you aren't about to isolate yourself at home indefinitely for fear of a car accident?

The next question is: are you the only person in the community whose life matters?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Well, the house has a current loss rate of nearly 99%. Poor analogy.

How do you figure? Overall fatality rate for GA is 2% with 7.1% hospitalized, with hospitalization 0 - 50 age average at 2.9% and the 51 up being 16.1%.

No where even close to 99%

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

The next question is: are you the only person in the community whose life matters?

Lol

Interesting deflection. Doesn't answer the original question, nor is it even a relevant response to the question.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

How do you figure? Overall fatality rate for GA is 2% with 7.1% hospitalized, with hospitalization 0 - 50 age average at 2.9% and the 51 up being 16.1%.

No where even close to 99%

Worldwide case number is 166M. Wordlwide death toll is 3.4M. About 2%. Worldwide. Overall. So a 98% loss rate; my bad.

Some of those 3.44M are also not deaths STRICTLY because of Covid, but also include people who were already sick, which Covid infection exacerbated symptoms and pushed them over the edge. That isn't to say that Covid played no part; because it clearly did. That's also a relatively small number in the grand scheme of things.