Vacci-Nation [CLOSED DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL, INSULTING, POLITICAL POSTS

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Opie

What is super amusing, in this thread particularly, is how everyone seems to be an expert on everything, including the decisions other should make on every side of the issue. Especially from those that are not infectious disease experts, or even in the science or medical field.

While I would suspect that in their actual day jobs they make mistakes daily, some minor, some major...but on the internet their word should be abided by dammit, and if not they'll find scraps of extracted and mis-understood/interpreted data to further their claim(s).

Quite funny....

I mean, if anyone is dumb enough to take legit advice from random people in this thread then I think they have their own problems.. lol.

But then by that logic it's also stupid to read or watch random videos by known conspiracy theorist and immediately believe every word they say. Or read fluff pieces that 10 people having blood clots after getting the J&J vax means the whole thing is a failure and ignoring the millions who haven't had that side effect.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Opie

Do I really need to alert people that the content was in jest?

Or are some people stuck so far up their own rear that they can't tell a joke when they see one?

Router(config-if)#shutdown

ahhhhh ok gotcha. Sorry lol with certain people in here spouting shit like you joked about, it's hard to tell....

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Opie

What is super amusing, in this thread particularly, is how everyone seems to be an expert on everything, including the decisions other should make on every side of the issue. Especially from those that are not infectious disease experts, or even in the science or medical field.

Technically I fall under both of those lol

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by Opie

Do I really need to alert people that the content was in jest?

Or are some people stuck so far up their own rear that they can't tell a joke when they see one?

Router(config-if)#shutdown

It's the timing, man. You gotta get the timing just right. Otherwise, what you thought would be devastatingly funny just comes off as calloused, angry, and bitter.

Originally Posted by Opie

While I would suspect that in their actual day jobs they make mistakes daily, some minor, some major...but on the internet their word should be abided by dammit, and if not they'll find scraps of extracted and mis-understood/interpreted data to further their claim(s).

Quite funny....

It is, isn't it? It would be even funnier if the stakes of promoting pseudo-scientific nonsense didn't seem so high.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I do know someone who refuses to get the mRNA vaccines, but is in line for the J&J. It is a thing, so I would be curious as to that answer too.

Originally Posted by spike021

I'm really curious if @p1l0t normally gets the flu vaccine and such. Because if so, he should be able to take the J&J vaccine with a clear conscious. Since it seems like most of the "genetic modification" issue he has is related to mRNA, not the more traditional method.

I was thinking about the J&J until the whole bloodclot thing. Although I'm honestly surprised they even briefly stopped for the so few cases.

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[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by spike021

You keep contradicting yourself.



You want everybody to get it. But everybody should include you.



So you want everybody else to do the work except for you so you can reap the benefits.



And on top of that, you don't really have an exact, well-defined reason for not taking an mRNA vaccine (also, why not just get the Johnson and Johnson one?).



Like, I'd understand it if you had a solid reason: allergy to something in the vaccine, or you were a woman trying to get pregnant with IVF and the doctor said it's not safe enough yet for that, etc.



But the reasons you keep bringing up don't really have the kind of circumstance to them that would prove any kind of serious, negative outcome for you.

That's another thing if it's so safe why is it pregnant women aren't supposed to take it?

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[AnalogMan]

An interesting article in The Atlantic today, offering some insights into the minds of anti-vaxxers:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...accine/618765/

You read this and it's hard to comprehend how anyone with more than a 3rd grade education would actually believe some of these things. But there you have it. America.

It's ultimately a self-limiting problem. The virus doesn't care about a person's politics. If someone chooses to not get vaccinated, they are increasing the chances of taking themselves out of the world's gene pool, and thus will be less likely to be around to reproduce.

The problem is how many other, innocent, unwilling people they will take with them in their headlong rush to the beyond.

It's such a tragedy that the COVID vaccines, and pandemic in general, have become so completely politicized. This is not about someone's 'civil liberties'. Not getting vaccinated is not a ‘personal choice’. A personal choice is something that only affects you alone and no one else. Anyone might want to do whatever they wish in a vacuum, but not if it harms other people. Not getting vaccinated puts many people at risk of illness or death.

It’s like the difference between choosing to drive your car into a stone wall vs. driving the wrong way in the oncoming lane on the highway. The former might be your own personal choice to take your life (notwithstanding damage to property). But the latter immorally puts many people at great risk against their will.

If you saw someone going the wrong way coming at you in your lane on the highway, you probably would not cheer them on for exercising their ‘personal choice’ or their 'civil liberties'. Not getting vaccinated imposes a similar risk on anyone that a non-vaccinated person comes in contact with.

As a society we accept smoking restrictions to protect people from the risks of second-hand smoke. COVID is a far more serious threat.

When a belief has become conflated with politics and devolves into tribalism, there is no arguing with a person to change their minds based on science, facts, morality, ethics, or guilt. The only way that might encourage more people to get vaccinated is if this country makes it suck as much as possible for those who are not.

People can always choose to not get vaccinated. But then businesses, stores, schools, restaurants, bars, and any place other than a person's private property can also choose to not let them in. The unvaccinated can stay at home and revel in their civil liberties. And enjoy their COVID infections.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

I was thinking about the J&J until the whole bloodclot thing. Although I'm honestly surprised they even briefly stopped for the so few cases.

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So you're surprised it was briefly stopped for just a few outlier cases, but just a few is enough to make you change your mind to take it at all?

Originally Posted by p1l0t

That's another thing if it's so safe why is it pregnant women aren't supposed to take it?

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I think you're missing the point. There are lots of things that aren't recommended for mothers to do when they're pregnant, i.e. drinking alcohol. That doesn't mean it isn't "safe" (of course that's all relative) when they are no longer pregnant or for the child to have it (once they've grown up).

And as mentioned previously in this thread, if someone has an allergy to a component of a vaccine, then that's enough reason to skip that *version* of it, but not vaccines in general. As an example, again, when getting the flu shot they say if you're allergic to chicken eggs you should let the pharmacist know so they can give you a different version that won't exacerbate/activate that allergy.

Do they then say "you absolutely should not get the vaccine at all!"? No, they provide a different version that is right for you.

I'm not sure what your point is?

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by spike021

So you're surprised it was briefly stopped for just a few outlier cases, but just a few is enough to make you change your mind to take it at all?







I think you're missing the point. There are lots of things that aren't recommended for mothers to do when they're pregnant, i.e. drinking alcohol. That doesn't mean it isn't "safe" (of course that's all relative) when they are no longer pregnant or for the child to have it (once they've grown up).



And as mentioned previously in this thread, if someone has an allergy to a component of a vaccine, then that's enough reason to skip that *version* of it, but not vaccines in general. As an example, again, when getting the flu shot they say if you're allergic to chicken eggs you should let the pharmacist know so they can give you a different version that won't exacerbate/activate that allergy.



Do they then say "you absolutely should not get the vaccine at all!"? No, they provide a different version that is right for you.



I'm not sure what your point is?

Or they are afraid the mutant babies will be too obvious too soon and all of Qanon will say I told you so!










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[Opie]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

An interesting article in The Atlantic today, offering some insights into the minds of anti-vaxxers:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...accine/618765/

You read this and it's hard to comprehend how anyone with more than a 3rd grade education would actually believe some of these things. But there you have it. America.

It's ultimately a self-limiting problem. The virus doesn't care about a person's politics. If someone chooses to not get vaccinated, they are increasing the chances of taking themselves out of the world's gene pool, and thus will be less likely to be around to reproduce.

The problem is how many other, innocent, unwilling people they will take with them in their headlong rush to the beyond.

It's such a tragedy that the COVID vaccines, and pandemic in general, have become so completely politicized. This is not about someone's 'civil liberties'. Not getting vaccinated is not a ‘personal choice’. A personal choice is something that only affects you alone and no one else. Anyone might want to do whatever they wish in a vacuum, but not if it harms other people. Not getting vaccinated puts many people at risk of illness or death.

It’s like the difference between choosing to drive your car into a stone wall vs. driving the wrong way in the oncoming lane on the highway. The former might be your own personal choice to take your life (notwithstanding damage to property). But the latter immorally puts many people at great risk against their will.

If you saw someone going the wrong way coming at you in your lane on the highway, you probably would not cheer them on for exercising their ‘personal choice’ or their 'civil liberties'. Not getting vaccinated imposes a similar risk on anyone that a non-vaccinated person comes in contact with.

As a society we accept smoking restrictions to protect people from the risks of second-hand smoke. COVID is a far more serious threat.

When a belief has become conflated with politics and devolves into tribalism, there is no arguing with a person to change their minds based on science, facts, morality, ethics, or guilt. The only way that might encourage more people to get vaccinated is if this country makes it suck as much as possible for those who are not.

People can always choose to not get vaccinated. But then businesses, stores, schools, restaurants, bars, and any place other than a person's private property can also choose to not let them in. The unvaccinated can stay at home and revel in their civil liberties. And enjoy their COVID infections.

The problem with this type of trash opinion piece is that it implies that those who choose not to be vaccinated will surely die, or infect others, or cause some mutant strain of the virus when all of those assumptions are scientifically rare. Things it fails to consider is the scientific facts coming out of different studies, for example, I posted a study about 10 days ago that showed that of those studied (close to 200 in the sample group) who were infected, and recovered from Covid-19 naturally are retaining the antibodies in stronger numbers, and for a longer period than those that were never exposed but have now received an available vaccination. Obviously this is early data, and the data will change with more studies, but it seems to indicate that there are those among us with a stronger natural defense against this others that may not benefit from a vaccination. And those with this ability are not a threat to anyone else's existence of health.

Does that mean this applies to everyone, absolutely not. But is is something to consider. And those thinking the vaccination is the end all solution to this virus are very short sighted, Pfizer and Moderna have both already stated that the antibodies their vaccines produce are lost/weakened over time and boosters will likely be needed to retain the immunity, miss a booster and back to square one.

It's all quite interesting.

[Lantanafrs2]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/4923900001

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/4923900001

COVID-19 has killed more than 35,000 Floridians and infected more than 2.2 million people in the state, according to the Florida Department of Health.

The past week, the state averaged nearly 5,000 new cases daily and recorded a test positivity rate of 7.9% - well above the 5% the World Health Organization recommends before lifting restrictions.

We will see how that goes. Hopefully the rate comes down with everyone getting vaccinated. My parents are vaccinated now at least, so they should be alright. Good luck!

[wbradley]

I just read a news flash-

Apparently the Johnson and Johnson vaccine makes your Johnson increase in size, permanently.

I know you will all be avoiding that one now.

[Opie]

Ever wonder why healthcare is so expensive? Profit margins in the high 20% range....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...d=winp1taskbar