TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New JDM GR 86 (Second Gen 86)!

[soundman98]

ever watch a dog chase it's tail?





for the record, i don't pay any attention to where posts are located. i click on any title that interests me, like picking up shiny marbles, read, and then regurgitate whatever lightly censored thing comes to mind. you don't want to let the voices all the way out though.

[Ash_89]

Originally Posted by soundman98

ever watch a dog chase it's tail?

[nikitopo]

@Tanstin : We are here to make positive discussions and express our likes and dislikes. The people being here for some time, know that the design team was changed and there was the risk factory to loose the continuity between the models. In fact it was a relief seeing that most basic principles were preserved, but on the exterior design they went a bit too far to differentiate it. First generation had more classic and neutral lines and there was always the option of an aero kit for the ones demanding something more. Overall, a smart move which is now somehow lost. We'll see if the new design direction will be for the better or the worse depending on how customers will react, but for the time being there is a reason to express these worries.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have not bitched and moaned about anything. I have expressed my opinion. You don't agree that is cool but why should I not express it?
Others have also expressed the same thoughts should they leave as well.
If people would stop telling me that I am wrong and should like it then I will stop saying how horrid it LOOKS. I have never said one word about the rest of it other than it is premature to celebrate it as "the best engine ever made".

Maybe you should get outside of the hype threads and take a look at the other contributions and participation I have in the rest of the forum. Or will you just go and look for things you don't like anyway?

Its infinitely amusing to me that you responded to this comment even though were not referenced in it

Carry on.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Blighty

Its infinitely amusing to me that you responded to this comment even though were not referenced in it

Carry on.

Dude the posts preceding it left little doubt who he was talking to. The passive aggressive schoolboy method of mentioning without actually mentioning is familiar to me. We have a whole thread that is basically that subject.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

First generation had more classic and neutral lines

The overall shape/proportions are the same. As for styling details, I'd say the 2nd gen's front fenders are more "classic" and neutral, vs. the 1st gen's somewhat gimmicky (as they're totally unnecessary, the fenders are already way above the front tires) fender bumps. 1st gen headlights are styled to look more aggro/angery vs. the simpler/cleaner 2nd gen lights. 1st gen has that giant mouthguard, hardly "classic"! 1st gen has fake vents up front on either side of the grill, kind of "mecha" in styling, vs. 2nd gen's *real* vents, with more organically shaped surrounds (overdone a bit IMO but not that bad). 2nd gen fender vents behind the front wheels are functional and to me are well integrated and not overdone. I hate these on most cars but they don't bother me here. Meanwhile the doodads on the sides of the 1st-gen front fenders, they serve no purpose. The spats in front of the rear wheels are another source of controversy but again, they don't bother me and fill in the (to me) awkward gap between the door and rear wheel opening (very little gap there on a proper 2-seat FR sports car), and again somewhat functional (though I can't imagine they do a whole lot...). I think the front fender vents and the rear spats work well together aesthetically.

Overall, I think both gens look great, not perfect. I give them both a solid 8/10. As far as I'm concerned, better to have some changes rather than just rehash exactly the same thing.

I hate most things, but honestly I find the new design to be cohesive, clean and maybe a bit *less* boy-racerish looking vs. my '17.

FWIW I was no fan of the BRZ's styling when it came out. Fenders too high, mouthguard, awkward-to-me rear wheel placement (too far aft). But when the '17s came out (gen 1.2?), I loved it. Who knows, 2nd gen may yet grow on some of ya, or maybe a 2.2 version in a few years...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by gymratter

i think the red looks even better when its outdoors with natural light.

I admit, it is a much better looking car in this video than in any of the photos I've seen to date.

[Transport3r]

I’m not a red car person, always had blue cars when I had a color choice, but DAMN that thing looks good in red.

Hoping Neptune is back on the list

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Dude the posts preceding it left little doubt who he was talking to. The passive aggressive schoolboy method of mentioning without actually mentioning is familiar to me. We have a whole thread that is basically that subject.

Oh, I know we have a thread tcoat. I might forgive, but I don't forget.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Blighty

Oh, I know we have a thread tcoat. I might forgive, but I don't forget.

LOL I don't mean THAT thread. You have since redeemed yourself and no longer seem to be a rabid fanboi. I meant a nice passive aggressive themed one where we satire foolishness (including our own) without directly referencing what we are panning.

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by ZDan

FWIW I was no fan of the BRZ's styling when it came out. Fenders too high, mouthguard, awkward-to-me rear wheel placement (too far aft). But when the '17s came out (gen 1.2?), I loved it. Who knows, 2nd gen may yet grow on some of ya, or maybe a 2.2 version in a few years...

Yeah I think I’m in the same boat but with the 2nd gen, don’t love it but....it might grow on me a bit when I see it in person. I had similar feelings about the new Supra when it came out, I wasn’t sure in the photos but once I saw it in person I quite liked it.

For those who don’t like the 2nd gen and prefer the 1st gen. Ask yourself this. How much better does the 1st gen look IRL than in pictures? I sometimes take shots of my car during pit stops on drives and it always looks better IRL than in the photo afterwards and I’m sometimes disappointed, lol. Anyway, can’t wait to see it in person and will make a final judgement then I guess.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I admit, it is a much better looking car in this video than in any of the photos I've seen to date.

i think it will probably look ever better in person.

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I admit, it is a much better looking car in this video than in any of the photos I've seen to date.

Originally Posted by gymratter

i think it will probably look ever better in person.

Many people are basing their opinions on the limited media that we're being provided with. I'm waiting for a an in-person viewing and test drive before I offer any opinions or purchasing decisions.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by gymratter

i think the red looks even better when its outdoors with natural light.

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