TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New JDM GR 86 (Second Gen 86)!

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by Spuds

It's just the wheel gap.

Or I have been spending too much time looking at the upcoming Z...

[SUB-FT86]

The GR86 looks 60% 86 and 40% RC-F. I think the 40% is what bothers some.

[Tanstin]

Here's a story:

A mustang owner goes to the ft86club forums, and every day he complains and comments in threads about how this car is absolutely gutless and pitiful. He throws around words like "torque dip" and "slow" and is very adamant about how he dislikes the looks, interior, etc. etc.

One day, a forum member decides to call him out on it. "Well, if you don't like this car so much, why are you here? This forum is dedicated to fans of this platform where we can get together and discuss the car because we enjoy it and what it stands for. This car is obviously not for you, and therefore you will not find much camaraderie here."


The mustang owner cackles to himself and responds. "Wellll I guess we just have to be blind fanatics to the FRS now. We all have to bow down and pray to the FRS gods and never ever ever question them because they are perfect and all holy and amazing and-"

This is the definition of a Strawman.

Before the other dude @RetroRacer ragequit the thread, I agreed with his original argument and still do. I'm not saying that there should be no discourse whatsoever or that we should all live in perfect, homogeneous bliss etc. etc, but if there is nothing you enjoy about the second gen and if most of your posts are just dedicated to trashing on the car, then you have to ask yourself why do you spend so much time here. No one wants to hear you bitch and moan about how you don't like this and don't like that while ignoring a lot of the good that's being done here. No one gives a fuck what you think.

I like both the 1st and 2nd gen and what they stand for, and I'm grateful that companies are still committed to making cars like these in an SUV/EV world. I like that the 2nd gen is getting an improvement in performance across the board. Yes, I get it. They're just numbers right now, but these estimates are from the company, and give me a reasonable view of what to expect in the coming model.


p.s. Yes. I like the subaru's front bumper better

[Tanstin]

Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS

I am definitely hyped for the 2nd gen and will be looking forward to getting one. But that's exactly what I have is hype, and it's what you have, hype. Not facts. Until it's released and been out for a few years, you can't say any "facts" about it being better than 1st gen. Reliability is what Toyota is about. You can't state facts until the story is done. I certainly expect you to be right about 2nd gen, but nothing at this point is fact or objective until it stands the test of time.

I get you man. And when it does come out, and things don't look as good as promised, then there is no shame in changing our opinion when new facts come to light.

For all we know, the 2nd gen could get a valve spring recall for it's first year lol. But in the meantime, I'll stay excited!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tanstin

Here's a story:

A mustang owner goes to the ft86club forums, and every day he complains and comments in threads about how this car is absolutely gutless and pitiful. He throws around words like "torque dip" and "slow" and is very adamant about how he dislikes the looks, interior, etc. etc.

One day, a forum member decides to call him out on it. "Well, if you don't like this car so much, why are you here? This forum is dedicated to fans of this platform where we can get together and discuss the car because we enjoy it and what it stands for. This car is obviously not for you, and therefore you will not find much camaraderie here."


The mustang owner cackles to himself and responds. "Wellll I guess we just have to be blind fanatics to the FRS now. We all have to bow down and pray to the FRS gods and never ever ever question them because they are perfect and all holy and amazing and-"

This is the definition of a Strawman.

Before the other dude @RetroRacer ragequit the thread, I agreed with his original argument and still do. I'm not saying that there should be no discourse whatsoever or that we should all live in perfect, homogeneous bliss etc. etc, but if there is nothing you enjoy about the second gen and if most of your posts are just dedicated to trashing on the car, then you have to ask yourself why do you spend so much time here. No one wants to hear you bitch and moan about how you don't like this and don't like that while ignoring a lot of the good that's being done here. No one gives a fuck what you think.

I like both the 1st and 2nd gen and what they stand for, and I'm grateful that companies are still committed to making cars like these in an SUV/EV world. I like that the 2nd gen is getting an improvement in performance across the board. Yes, I get it. They're just numbers right now, but these estimates are from the company, and give me a reasonable view of what to expect in the coming model.


p.s. Yes. I like the subaru's front bumper better

I have not bitched and moaned about anything. I have expressed my opinion. You don't agree that is cool but why should I not express it?
Others have also expressed the same thoughts should they leave as well.
If people would stop telling me that I am wrong and should like it then I will stop saying how horrid it LOOKS. I have never said one word about the rest of it other than it is premature to celebrate it as "the best engine ever made".

Maybe you should get outside of the hype threads and take a look at the other contributions and participation I have in the rest of the forum. Or will you just go and look for things you don't like anyway?

[Tanstin]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have not bitched and moaned about anything. I have expressed my opinion. You don't agree that is cool but why should I not express it?
Others have also expressed the same thoughts should they leave as well.
If people would stop telling me that I am wrong and should like it then I will stop saying how horrid it LOOKS. I have never said one word about the rest of it other than it is premature to celebrate it as "the best engine ever made".

Maybe you should get outside of the hype threads and take a look at the other contributions and participation I have in the rest of the forum. Or will you just go and look for things you don't like anyway?

Let me reiterate this for a third time, because I feel like we misunderstand each other. There is nothing wrong with disliking some aspects of this car. You are free to express it, but you are NOT free from people disagreeing with your opinion. This goes both ways, whether you like or dislike the second gen. But in a specific subforum dedicated to enthusiasts of a specific car, you will find that people will generally view the car more favorably.



Yes you have lol. Otherwise no one would have a problem with it. It's what you've been doing for most of these threads. Even since january 2020 when the first prototypes were spotted, you were on about it, and I remember people calling you out back then only for you to backpeddle and talk about how you're just taking on some holy crusade to combat "misinformation", as if motortrend was your antichrist.


As I said before I'll keep an open mind, and If it doesn't live up to the hype, I'll change my point of view.



As for your last suggestion, I don't spend nearly as much time on this forum as you do. It's very apparent how ubiquitous you are, and I daresay you are a pretty popular person here. Not one day goes by where I don't see Ned Flanders wearing a beanie whenever I look through these forums. Nothing wrong with that of course.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tanstin

Let me reiterate this for a third time, because I feel like we misunderstand each other. There is nothing wrong with disliking some aspects of this car. You are free to express it, but you are NOT free from people disagreeing with your opinion. This goes both ways, whether you like or dislike the second gen. But in a specific subforum dedicated to enthusiasts of a specific car, you will find that people will generally view the car more favorably.



Yes you have lol. Otherwise no one would have a problem with it. It's what you've been doing for most of these threads. Even since january 2020 when the first prototypes were spotted, you were on about it, and I remember people calling you out back then only for you to backpeddle and talk about how you're just taking on some holy crusade to combat "misinformation", as if motortrend was your antichrist.


As I said before I'll keep an open mind, and If it doesn't live up to the hype, I'll change my point of view.



As for your last suggestion, I don't spend nearly as much time on this forum as you do. It's very apparent how ubiquitous you are, and I daresay you are a pretty popular person here. Not one day goes by where I don't see Ned Flanders wearing a beanie whenever I look through these forums. Nothing wrong with that of course.

LOL DUDE!
You are bitching and moaning more about me than I have said about the car.

The Clickbaits are a scourge! They spew bullshit that the youngun's hang onto as truth. They are constantly wrong but as soon as the car comes out and they change everything they have said their fans are all like "LOOK THEY GOT IT BANG ON".
Again you want to censor my comments because they don't jive with your little picture of the world. That is not how the world works as you will learn someday.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The GR86 looks 60% 86 and 40% RC-F. I think the 40% is what bothers some.

BINGO! I think you nailed it. They are forcing lines on it that just don't work with each other. Either round it off or make it angler but don't mix the two.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

The 5x100 squabbles entertain me.

I really just wanna know about the see-through calipers so I can FINALLY check the life of my brake pads without having to pull my wheels off and disassemble EVERYTHING.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by RetroRacer

Bunch of poser internet keyboard warriors

Everything I stated was a fact, you girls simply are jealous little bitches.

Literally act like 12 year olds, who live with your parents. I’ve been modding/racing cars longer than you little millennials have been alive. Hope to see you all at one of the nationwide gatherings or meets, oh wait I forgot you stay at home because your scared of the fake Plandemic

You should see my inbox messages from multiple people who thanked me for speaking up against you TCoat, about they’ve never liked you but don’t want to say anything as they know you’ll stalk them to and harass them. You’re an internet bully, but a fucking ***** in real life.

I’ve since moved over to another forum anyhow which is full of adults who can have actual discussions, and different opinions, not high school tweeny bopper BS that goes on here.

Keep harassing people who dare to have different opinions than yourself, you’re the epitome of an internet keyboard warrior. Look at how many posts you have lmfao, you DONT EVEN WORK, you spend all day on this forum, you have no life, literally

You won’t have to worry about my facts & opinions that get your panties in a bunch any longer, I will never return here at all after this post to read or engage any further. Now go ahead with more pointless posts against me that I won’t ever read, but will give you nerds the internet attention you so deeply care about!

I wasn't going to reply but felt like I should say something (even though @Tcoat doesn't need anyone to have his back on this).

Tcoat made the trip out to California all the way from Canadialand for our Norcal86 Summer Kickoff and I had the pleasure of giving him a ride back to a friend's house afterward. He's one of the nicest dudes on this forum and IRL, and that's not just because all Canadians are nice.

I've never met you or interacted with you, but just from seeing your brief exchange with other members of this forum I can tell you're somebody I hope never comes out to a meet. You are not welcome.

Y'all need to chill and take your shit elsewhere.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If I had to replace my car today and could not get a NEW 86/BRZ in any colour other than white, grey., silver or black (doesn't leave much choice) I would probably go with either a mid level Camaro, Supra or a Mita RF. This same order would apply when the new 86/BRZ come out. Hopefully I do not have to replace my current 86 though!

I had in the back of my head you saying your next car (post #2 86) was going to be a Jag. Am I remembering that wrong, or has that changed?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I had in the back of my head you saying your next car (post #2 86) was going to be a Jag. Am I remembering that wrong, or has that changed?

That is indeed my plan for a retirement car but that is still 5 years away. If I had to replace my 86 today or even next year whatever I get will be a year round , moderate miles (don't go as far as I used to) DD and I would not want to do that to a Jag.
As long as the Type F is still an attractive car (and not electric) in 5 years it would still be my plan.

[gymratter]

i think the red looks even better when its outdoors with natural light.

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[Lantanafrs2]

^ I agree