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AnalogMan · 03-24-2021, 06:31 PM

I think Toyota knew exactly what it was doing with the Supra. They are a highly financially oriented company that does fastidious analysis. I imagine they found that many Supra buyers would be buying the car for the name and perception even more than the actual performance. It was also no doubt a calculated business move to partner with BMW and buy a rebodied Z4 from them rather than make the capital investment to manufacture their own car. Likewise they probably found that the minimal incremental sales of a manual wouldn't be worth the investment (or maybe BMW just said no, that they wouldn't certify a manual for the US). They're doing this to maximize financial returns, and are probably happy with the results.

While many of us might compare the Supra and 400Z, and on paper the specs have many similarities (size, power, etc.), I suspect there may not be as much overlap in the actual buyers as we might think. I would bet 400Z buyers will be more focused on actual performance, and that there will be a reasonably high manual transmission take rate. People who were attracted to the 370Z but turned off by the dated interior (and the silliness of an 'obsolete infotainment system') should be very happy with the updates in the 400Z.

I personally liked the 'Japanese Mustang' feel of the 370Z, and would have bought one - if I'd been able to find a Nissan dealer with a shred of integrity and an available car. I'm eagerly looking forward to a test drive.

gymratter · 03-24-2021, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Do we like the unpainted roof? It changes the size and shape of the rear to have it not painted.

i kinda like both options. also will depends on the color combo.

AnalogMan · 03-24-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Do we like the unpainted roof? It changes the size and shape of the rear to have it not painted.

Being an old school purist (= curmudgeon), I prefer an unpainted roof, and the body all in one solid, saturated, primary color. Give me some classic reds, blues, oranges, or especially greens! Let the natural lines of the body, with the curves and creases of the sheet metal, speak for themselves.

I could live with yellow and a black roof. But in general, black roofs remind me too much of what I used to do to my cars back in high school with a rattle can of Rust-Oleum spray paint, trying too hard for that 'race car' look.

vh_supra26 · 03-24-2021, 06:59 PM

I kind of like the panda theme look.

https://www.400zclub.com/forum/threa...enderings.112/

Irace86.2.0 · 03-24-2021, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AnalogMan

Being an old school purist (= curmudgeon), I prefer an unpainted roof, and the body all in one solid, saturated, primary color. Give me some classic reds, blues, oranges, or especially greens! Let the natural lines of the body, with the curves and creases of the sheet metal, speak for themselves.

I could live with yellow and a black roof. But in general, black roofs remind me too much of what I used to do to my cars back in high school with a rattle can of Rust-Oleum spray paint, trying too hard for that 'race car' look.

How old school? Don't you remember all the vinyl tops back in the day and two toned paint jobs?

gymratter · 03-24-2021, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

2.0 is priced at 84% of 3.0 $$$. A80 non-turbo was less $$$ relatively at 75% of turbo. Definitely a factor...

a lot of people including myself felt it should have been a $40k car, and it tops out at $47k with options. at that point you might as well just get a base 3.0 for not much more.

anyways, getting back on topic...

it looks like it will just have a Z badge without any numbers.

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...eos.143/page-3

p1l0t · 03-24-2021, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gymratter

a lot of people including myself felt it should have been a $40k car, and it tops out at $47k with options. at that point you might as well just get a base 3.0 for not much more.

anyways, getting back on topic...

it looks like it will just have a Z badge without any numbers.

https://www.400zclub.com/forum/threa...eos.143/page-3

Back on Z topic?

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SUB-FT86 · 03-25-2021, 12:48 AM

If they only call it Z I suspect it will come with 2 or 3 motors.

350hp 3.0TT for 32k base
444hp 3.0TT with Sport for 40k base
500hp 3.0TT Nismo for 50k base

They might try the same thing they did with the Q50/60 cars.

SUB-FT86 · 03-25-2021, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by vh_supra26

I kind of like the panda theme look.

https://www.400zclub.com/forum/threa...enderings.112/

My favorite color

gymratter · 03-25-2021, 01:11 AM

i guess the link went dead..

AnalogMan · 03-25-2021, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

How old school? Don't you remember all the vinyl tops back in the day and two toned paint jobs?

Yes, I'm old school (and just plain old...) enough to remember very well vinyl tops and two-tone (and even three-tone) paint jobs. I owned a bunch of cars with vinyl tops. Back then the marketing shtick was that vinyl tops made a car look 'sporty' like a convertible without any of the actual open-air topless fuss (or fun).

It got out of hand. Body shops and other places would do an aftermarket vinyl top on a car. They charged extra when they called it a 'landau roof'. Most of them were hideous abominations.

I didn't like them back then either. Always wanted to rip off a vinyl top like a deranged baboon at a drive-through safari. Some of the 50's cars look fun in 2- and 3-tone paint schemes, in a kitsch Flash Gordon kind of way. But to my eyes a hardtop sports car looks best when the body lines speak for themselves.

blackhawkdown · 03-25-2021, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

If they only call it Z I suspect it will come with 2 or 3 motors.

350hp 3.0TT for 32k base
444hp 3.0TT with Sport for 40k base
500hp 3.0TT Nismo for 50k base

They might try the same thing they did with the Q50/60 cars.

I cant see a base costing $32k. That is cheaper than a STi. I can see a base costing $35-$38k.

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WolfpackS2k · 03-25-2021, 09:32 AM

I hope it just has a Z badge. The "400" part is pretty dumb.

Honestly it should be the 300Z.

Jordanwolf · 03-25-2021, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

I cant see a base costing $32k. That is cheaper than a STi. I can see a base costing $35-$38k.

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They are cheaper than STIs in Canada, by a decent amount too.

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03-24-2021, 06:31 PM	#953
AnalogMan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Drives: 2019 BRZ Limited 6 speed Red Location: New England Posts: 514 Thanks: 743 Thanked 1,036 Times in 344 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s)	I think Toyota knew exactly what it was doing with the Supra. They are a highly financially oriented company that does fastidious analysis. I imagine they found that many Supra buyers would be buying the car for the name and perception even more than the actual performance. It was also no doubt a calculated business move to partner with BMW and buy a rebodied Z4 from them rather than make the capital investment to manufacture their own car. Likewise they probably found that the minimal incremental sales of a manual wouldn't be worth the investment (or maybe BMW just said no, that they wouldn't certify a manual for the US). They're doing this to maximize financial returns, and are probably happy with the results. While many of us might compare the Supra and 400Z, and on paper the specs have many similarities (size, power, etc.), I suspect there may not be as much overlap in the actual buyers as we might think. I would bet 400Z buyers will be more focused on actual performance, and that there will be a reasonably high manual transmission take rate. People who were attracted to the 370Z but turned off by the dated interior (and the silliness of an 'obsolete infotainment system') should be very happy with the updates in the 400Z. I personally liked the 'Japanese Mustang' feel of the 370Z, and would have bought one - if I'd been able to find a Nissan dealer with a shred of integrity and an available car. I'm eagerly looking forward to a test drive.

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vh_supra26 Site Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Drives: Supra Location: Houston Posts: 2,797 Thanks: 1,155 Thanked 2,182 Times in 965 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s)	I kind of like the panda theme look. https://www.400zclub.com/forum/threa...enderings.112/

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SUB-FT86 86 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 2.0T (Asphalt) Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 3,129 Thanks: 126 Thanked 527 Times in 296 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s)	If they only call it Z I suspect it will come with 2 or 3 motors. 350hp 3.0TT for 32k base 444hp 3.0TT with Sport for 40k base 500hp 3.0TT Nismo for 50k base They might try the same thing they did with the Q50/60 cars.

03-25-2021, 01:11 AM	#962
gymratter Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: BMW Location: TX Posts: 2,400 Thanks: 1,972 Thanked 1,827 Times in 954 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s)	i guess the link went dead..

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