Here's a little Scion Concept Car teaser video!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

And are you serious....age has nothing to do with it. How old is FXMD's NSX? Yet it holds lap records alongside newer AWD cars like the R35. It's about the cars development not it's age dude. Why do you continue to talk about a subject you are obviously lacking knowledge in?

Did you read my post? I said A CAR RACED IN 2000 to 2005. Not the age of a car. When it was raced. A team should constantly be developing and improving its car's performance each year. If it doesn't, they will get passed up. What are you trying to say? That a top NSX raced in 1999 is faster than a top NSX raced in 2011? Ok. Dude every year race cars get faster. Every year they get faster irregardless the year of the car itself they are racing.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Just some more data to end this stupid debate. Top Scion tC didn't even break into the top 20. It ended up at.....wait for it....wait for it.... 40 out of 42. Out of the 5 records broken 0 were tC all of them were Evos, STI, NSX or a 1G Eclipse. Nada on the Scion.







Look forward to your excuses.



Google, it is your friend.

YET again....ONE track. I'll pull up ONE track for you since we can make a statement with One track.

Mark Daddio owns the lap record here: 1:01.296

RESULTS:

Overall:
Mark Daddio - AMS Performance/NOS Energy Mitsubishi Evo X - 1:01.296

Unlimited AWD:
1 Mark Daddio - AMS Performance/NOS Energy Mitsubishi Evo X - 1:01.296

Unlimited RWD:
1 Jeff Ricca - 240SX Motoring Nissan 240SX - 1:08.399
2 Ramana Lagemann - DSG/BFG/Stance/Direct Tire Nissan 240SX - 1:08.401

Unlimited FWD:
1 Chris Rado - World Racing Scion tC - 1:03.084
2 Kurt Kelley - Divine Motorsports Honda Civic - 1:11.994
3 Michael Stimac - FWD Performance Dodge Daytona - 1:14.174

Modified AWD:
1 Ryan Gates - Gates311.com/AMS Performance Mitsubishi Evo X - 1:04.460
2 James Elterman - Takata Time Attack Subaru STI - 1:07.230
3 Sharif Abdelbaset - Forged Performance Nissan R35 GTR - 1:07.516

Modifed RWD:
1 Thomas Hiromoto - Fuji Racing Mazda Miata - 1:12.303
2 George Loveday - Dodge Viper - 1:13.247



I don't Need to Google it, I just sign into my Time Attack forums account. The next Unlimited Class FF is 8 Seconds slower....

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Still wasn't faster than the other cars in the top 10 from 2009. What is your point?

It's FWD compared to the other RWD/AWD layouts...what's your point?


So to be clear on this, you are arguing about the way it looks and using your sound expert opinion it doesn't need a wing on the front to be fast as other cars and you use RWD and AWD cars as an example of your "expertise" on building track cars and racing them....lol. Ok. Was it fast without the wing sure. Is it faster with the wing...yep...case closed.



BY THE WAY.....YOU CAN'T READ: 40th place says what again? CRAWFORD Performance 2011 Scion tC....It has a stock freaking motor dude and running in LIMITED CLASS!!!!! Be sure next time you pick an image with World Racing's Time on it.






Guess when you want information done right, you don't rely on people who don't know what they are doing.


Current Buttonwillow Track Records
These times are from Redline Time Attack and Super Lap Battle races only.

Overall:
David Empringham - Sierra Sierra Enterprises Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1:41.046 @ 2010 Super Lap Battle Finals

Overall Super Modified/Unlimited Class:
David Empringham - Sierra Sierra Enterprises Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1:41.046 @ 2010 Super Lap Battle Finals

Overall Modified/Limited Class:
JC Meynet - Harman Motive/AQ Motorsports Subaru STI - 1:48.550 @ 2010 Super Lap Battle Finals

Overall Street Class:
Martin Musial - AMS Performance Mitsubishi Evolution X - 1:55.810 @ 2010 Super Lap Battle Finals

Overall AWD:
David Empringham - Sierra Sierra Enterprises Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1:41.046 @ 2010 Super Lap Battle Finals

Overall RWD:
Billy Johnson - FXMD Acura NSX - 1:41.949 @ 2010 Super Lap Battle Finals

Overall FWD:
Chris Rado - World Racing Scion tC - 1:46.736 @ 2010 Redline Time Attack



NOW go compare that time to the list you posted above about Rado not even making it top 10. He would technically be in 9th place bumping Tyler in the S2k off the list and pushing Paul in the AMS/NOS Evo X down to 10th.

Now we can get off the subject.

NOOBS...I swear...

[ichitaka05]

@Dragon & Tranz

All the posts are interest, but it's going off topic. Yeah we usually go off topic... but I think it got off topic way way out of it.

p.s.
@Dragon
I see your point and do agree w you on this off topic. I think, he doesn't get how Redline Time Attack system actually works.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Did you read my post? I said A CAR RACED IN 2000 to 2005. Not the age of a car. When it was raced. A team should constantly be developing and improving its car's performance each year. If it doesn't, they will get passed up. What are you trying to say? That a top NSX raced in 1999 is faster than a top NSX raced in 2011? Ok. Dude every year race cars get faster. Every year they get faster irregardless the year of the car itself they are racing.

hard to talk down on someone when you use words like irregardless. dont get me wrong, i hate rado, his tc and his stupid sideburns as much as the next guy but he was a great drag racer put in an amazing car that is absolutely not ricer.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

@Dragon & Tranz

All the posts are interest, but it's going off topic. Yeah we usually go off topic... but I think it got off topic way way out of it.

p.s.
@Dragon
I see your point and do agree w you on this off topic. I think, he doesn't get how Redline Time Attack system actually works.

Yeah, I've spent to much energy on this and I have to get some work done.. I think he has some knew knowledge from all of this though....I would hope so at least.

[impulse]

Kinda disappointed that it came out as a Scion, but eh... figures that it would.

Though I seriously hope the concept in New York doesn't turn out something as ugly as this one photoshop guessed at a Scion version FT-86 from a while back...

[AE25]

got bored after page 3. turn to page 23 and this bitch fight still dragging on. wtf guys? off topic much?
hope toyota realise ae86 fans do not care for a scion branded ft86. thats pretty clear from this thread

[andygee]

on behalf of everyone who was reading this thread, we loved all this arguing. pretty funny shit lol. kept me entertained for hours when there was nothing on tv :B


by the way, if its scion, can someone pleease explain the whole Pure Pricing thing to me.. i wont be able to lower the price? whats all this about?

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by andygee

by the way, if its scion, can someone pleease explain the whole Pure Pricing thing to me.. i wont be able to lower the price? whats all this about?

http://www.scion.com/#/faq/purePrice

[Macavely]

Originally Posted by andygee

on behalf of everyone who was reading this thread, we loved all this arguing. pretty funny shit lol. kept me entertained for hours when there was nothing on tv :B


by the way, if its scion, can someone pleease explain the whole Pure Pricing thing to me.. i wont be able to lower the price? whats all this about?

Simple put the price on the sticker is they price you pay.. The dealership can not raise the price of it.... can it be lowered yes.. but then the dealership will lose money on the car...

[nate89]

That sucks it's gonna be a scion. The no haggle system sucks, I'll only pay $500 over invoice just like all my other cars. If scion don't want to haggle I bet Subaru will. And I bet the scion version won't have a turbo (knowing Toyota a turbo will be next to impossible to install and tune). If worse comes to worse I'll buy a Subaru and then buy the jdm front and rear Toyota bumpers: best of both worlds.

[andygee]

Originally Posted by Macavely

Simple put the price on the sticker is they price you pay.. The dealership can not raise the price of it.... can it be lowered yes.. but then the dealership will lose money on the car...

oohh ok. yeah i was worried about the idea of not being able to lower it. so pretty much, i can prob cut off a good 100-500 off the sticker, but its gonna take some seriious haggling right?

[Matador]

Originally Posted by cyde01

of course, you ignored the perfectly good point i made that the subaru engine has inherent engineering advantages. branding it a scion doesn't.

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Mute point here.

Moot point.

Originally Posted by cyde01

i really don't see how you can draw that conclusion from my posts.

just because i think subaru makes good engines doesn't mean i think that toyota can't. look at the 1LR-GUE, possibly the best production N/A engine ever.

i am also a toyota guy and like toyota engines, but i'm not enough of a brand whore to not be able to recognize the upsides of a subaru boxer. i think the motor has potential to be really good but we won't know until the car comes out.

Originally Posted by cyde01

manufacturers paying shops lots of money to make a rwd version of an FF for drift competition is faking the funk.

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

The car is FWD, when you are pushing 1200hp to the front wheels, you tell me what methods you would have utilized to put the power down to the ground? I'm waiting for your expertise on the subject matter. Please include your rich racing background as well as your advanced study credentials in Aerodynamics.

Perhaps used a rwd or awd car to begin with?

Rado's TC is stupid fast and well developed, granted. Know that full well. However, Put that much time, budget and work into a respectable rwd chassis and see if it doesn't turn out better.. without the park bench on the front. I like unconventional thinking, however what's the point in reinventing the wheel and making it octagon because round is too passe?

**edit**

wow. 24 pages in a day and a half? Must be some sort of record. lmao