Buying New

[autosenses]

My first post!

Long story short, I missed out on the 2020's tS and I feel like paying 30k for a PP or 28k for a limited is kind of a waste..

So, after looking at Truecar and other market indicators, the price for these things new are holding high. Roughly 5% off max. I have a local dealer who has a 2020 limited for sticker (unless they are too lazy to post a sale price). What's the reality I offer 26k out the door? According to Carguru's its been there for 135days.

I am not going to wait fo the new one, I want this one. lol

What are guys paying for the remaining models?

Thanks!

[Alphaw0lf666]

Probably won't help much for your situation, but I bought a 2018 50th anniversary for 27k plus tax tag title about 5 months after it hit the lot. I am in TN too so ymmv.

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[autosenses]

Originally Posted by Alphaw0lf666

Probably won't help much for your situation, but I bought a 2018 50th anniversary for 27k plus tax tag title about 5 months after it hit the lot. I am in TN too so ymmv.

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Those 50th editions are sweet. Thanks for the response.

The Covid economic environment has pretty much kept all enthusiasts cars up in value. I have car anxiety and ocd so unless I'm buying from someone I know, I pretty much am ruling out used. I mean it really has to impress me when buying used. Local dealer has a New 2020 BRZ but when I looked at it, I can tell they drove it in the snow and salt. Even the door was dirty from their sneakers/boots. Nope, not buying that one.

[Alphaw0lf666]

Yeah, I bought mine new in 2018 and I know it is rough out there for a lot of products recently. Auto manufacturers have been hurting a lot just like pc gamers because of the silicon production shortage. I have noticed used and new car market is pretty crazy. I recently sold an 08 Tucson with a blown engine for 1400 which is way more than I thought I would get. I hope you can find a new BRZ for a price you like, I love my car a lot. Good luck!

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[autosenses]

Originally Posted by Alphaw0lf666

Yeah, I bought mine new in 2018 and I know it is rough out there for a lot of products recently. Auto manufacturers have been hurting a lot just like pc gamers because of the silicon production shortage. I have noticed used and new car market is pretty crazy. I recently sold an 08 Tucson with a blown engine for 1400 which is way more than I thought I would get. I hope you can find a new BRZ for a price you like, I love my car a lot. Good luck!

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Funny, I'm also a PC gamer and that market is just insanity.

I'm 36, father of 2 and timing is now...i'm under pressure. lol

[soundman98]

just be ready to walk-- some dealers like to hold on to cars like that to use as something to pull people looking at minivans into the showroom, so they don't let them go cheap.

[BrahmaBull1990]

Originally Posted by autosenses

Funny, I'm also a PC gamer and that market is just insanity.

I'm 36, father of 2 and timing is now...i'm under pressure. lol

Just sold an NVIDIA 970 for $180 and an NVIDIA 2070 super $750 - this market is crazy. I was able to get a 3080, so I am sweet

[AnalogMan]

The used and new car markets have been undergoing significant changes in the past year. Many of the reasons are directly or indirectly related to COVID. Prices initially swung down in the early phases of the pandemic, but in many cases now have gone back up.

The initial reactions to the pandemic were the usual human ones of panic, fear, and uncertainty. Circle the wagons, don't spend money, wait to see what happens. Many dealers saw their floor traffic drop off to zero, and were sitting on lots full of cars that weren't moving. Supply exceeded demand. Last summer there were some bargains to be had as dealers were desperate for any cash flow to stem the financial hemorrhaging (I helped a friend buy a new 2020 Forester for about $5,500 off the MSRP).

Then things seemed to change. It was a combination of people started to buy cars in hopes of them being 'safer' than taking public transportation, plus pandemic-related impacts on manufacturing decreased the pipeline of new cars, plus the low prices being offered by many dealers sold off a lot of their inventories. Now in many areas and for some cars, demand exceeds supply. With the BRZ/86, there is also the additional factor that the first generation car is out of production, and the second-generation car not yet available (with likely delays due to the pandemic). I've had several dealers call and write me asking if I'd be interested in selling my 2019 BRZ, that I bought in late 2019 just before the pandemic sh!t hit the fan.

In short, if you've found a new BRZ/86, it might not be possible to buy one for the price that may have been offered last summer. In a situation like this, being between generations, there's always the philosophical question of buying one of the last first-gen cars vs. waiting for a second-gen car.

There's also the additional question of when will the second-gen cars actually be available? The pandemic has disrupted manufacturing supply chains around the world. It's a ripple effect, and will continue to be felt for some time. A single unavailable component, computer chips, even seat foam, can delay a car from being produced for months. It's uncertain when the second-gen BRZ wil actually be available for sale, but 2022 is probably a safe bet. Quantities may be limited for a while then as well, with the usual pricing inflexibility that comes with a new model with limited numbers available (dealer markups and other fun games).

Like with anything else in life, it comes down to how much do you want the car? That's what it's worth, and the only thing that matters is how much it's worth to you.

[autosenses]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

The used and new car markets have been undergoing significant changes in the past year. Many of the reasons are directly or indirectly related to COVID. Prices initially swung down in the early phases of the pandemic, but in many cases now have gone back up.

The initial reactions to the pandemic were the usual human ones of panic, fear, and uncertainty. Circle the wagons, don't spend money, wait to see what happens. Many dealers saw their floor traffic drop off to zero, and were sitting on lots full of cars that weren't moving. Supply exceeded demand. Last summer there were some bargains to be had as dealers were desperate for any cash flow to stem the financial hemorrhaging (I helped a friend buy a new 2020 Forester for about $5,500 off the MSRP).

Then things seemed to change. It was a combination of people started to buy cars in hopes of them being 'safer' than taking public transportation, plus pandemic-related impacts on manufacturing decreased the pipeline of new cars, plus the low prices being offered by many dealers sold off a lot of their inventories. Now in many areas and for some cars, demand exceeds supply. With the BRZ/86, there is also the additional factor that the first generation car is out of production, and the second-generation car not yet available (with likely delays due to the pandemic). I've had several dealers call and write me asking if I'd be interested in selling my 2019 BRZ, that I bought in late 2019 just before the pandemic sh!t hit the fan.

In short, if you've found a new BRZ/86, it might not be possible to buy one for the price that may have been offered last summer. In a situation like this, being between generations, there's always the philosophical question of buying one of the last first-gen cars vs. waiting for a second-gen car.

There's also the additional question of when will the second-gen cars actually be available? The pandemic has disrupted manufacturing supply chains around the world. It's a ripple effect, and will continue to be felt for some time. A single unavailable component, computer chips, even seat foam, can delay a car from being produced for months. It's uncertain when the second-gen BRZ wil actually be available for sale, but 2022 is probably a safe bet. Quantities may be limited for a while then as well, with the usual pricing inflexibility that comes with a new model with limited numbers available (dealer markups and other fun games).

Like with anything else in life, it comes down to how much do you want the car? That's what it's worth, and the only thing that matters is how much it's worth to you.

Nice write up.

Essential, it comes down to timing in life. I'm ready now, I may not be ready 1.5 years from now waiting for Gen2. I missed out the Final Edition Evo, Missed out on the last year of the 135i....

Basically, at this age, I've learned many lessons. I still have many years left. Right now, I want to experience the last year of the BRZ. I hope I can get it cheap enough where I can keep it forever and still get other cars. I've also learned my lesson on trading-in cars I love. Not doing that anymore.

I rather have a BRZ vs 86. However, I'm noticing 86's are still be delivered new. They are both built on the same assembly line?

Thanks!

[PenGun]

Originally Posted by autosenses

Funny, I'm also a PC gamer and that market is just insanity.

I'm 36, father of 2 and timing is now...i'm under pressure. lol

No, We can buy insane stuff now, for reasonable prices. My 32" 4k Monitor was $550 CAN, and my 2070 was about $780 CAN.



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[soundman98]

Originally Posted by autosenses

I rather have a BRZ vs 86. However, I'm noticing 86's are still be delivered new. They are both built on the same assembly line?

Thanks!

yes, they are identical in everything except badging and cosmetic bumper facia/headlights.

[AnalogMan]

Originally Posted by autosenses

Nice write up.

Essential, it comes down to timing in life. I'm ready now, I may not be ready 1.5 years from now waiting for Gen2. I missed out the Final Edition Evo, Missed out on the last year of the 135i....

Basically, at this age, I've learned many lessons. I still have many years left. Right now, I want to experience the last year of the BRZ. I hope I can get it cheap enough where I can keep it forever and still get other cars. I've also learned my lesson on trading-in cars I love. Not doing that anymore.

I rather have a BRZ vs 86. However, I'm noticing 86's are still be delivered new. They are both built on the same assembly line?

Thanks!

There are many people here that know much more about the manufacturing details of the car than I do, but my understanding is that the BRZ and 86 are built on the same line, and that production has stopped. I would think any 86's still being delivered 'new' were built a while ago, and are just what's left in the pipeline.

I went through a similar process when I set out to buy a BRZ in 2019, debating current car vs. next-generation. I specifically wanted red, PP, 6 speed. Red was being discontinued for 2020, and there were many other questions and uncertainties. Would there actually be a second-gen car? When would it arrive? Would I like it better than the current car?

At this point in my life (60-something), I decided not to wait. I like the current car, and decided to buy one of the few remaining red 6 speed PP ones out there (after searching for a used one and not finding anything I liked). My thinking was, it would probably be a few years before it might be possible to get a second-generation car. If I absolutely loved it, I could always sell/trade my current car and get one. But in the meantime, I could spend a few years enjoying the current gen car. If the second-gen never happened, or if I didn't like it, then I'd be even happier for not 'waiting' for something that wasn't going to happen. Plus, at my age, remaining time is limited. I don't know how long I have left in which I'd enjoy (or even still be able to) drive a manual transmission.

Nothing is certain, but I think it's likely the next-gen BRZ won't be available until 2022 (or at least not in meaningful numbers). Depending on the state of the economy, production numbers, and dealer greed, for a while there may be difficulties in finding one with the spec you want and for a reasonable price (same applies to the Nissan 400Z). So, it could be 2023 (or beyond) for getting a next-gen car.

Like you, I've also learned the painful lesson of trading in cars I love. I hope I won't be doing that too often again. So many cars I loved that I 'took for granted' and thought would always be available again if I wanted to buy another one, that didn't turn out to be the case. Infiniti G35 and G37 coupes with manual transmission. S2000. RX8. I regret selling all of them.

Whatever happens in the automotive future with the next-gen BRZ (or 400Z), I'll have no regrets about having bought my 2019 BRZ. Every time I drive it, it's positive reinforcement that it was so the right decision to buy it.

Good luck!

[Baldeagle]

Originally Posted by autosenses

Nice write up.

Essential, it comes down to timing in life. I'm ready now, I may not be ready 1.5 years from now waiting for Gen2. I missed out the Final Edition Evo, Missed out on the last year of the 135i....

Basically, at this age, I've learned many lessons. I still have many years left. Right now, I want to experience the last year of the BRZ. I hope I can get it cheap enough where I can keep it forever and still get other cars. I've also learned my lesson on trading-in cars I love. Not doing that anymore.

I rather have a BRZ vs 86. However, I'm noticing 86's are still be delivered new. They are both built on the same assembly line?

Thanks!

The dealership doesn’t know you are ready now. Even greedy dealerships want to make sales today. My approach would be to tell them that you like this 1st gen but know the “better” second gen is just a few months away, as is the new 400Z. You are fine waiting a few more months for a 2022 twin. If the dealership wants to make a sale today on a car that will depreciate rapidly after the second gen hits the streets, they need to be closer to dealer cost. And be prepared to walk. The car is only a chunk of metal to a dealership. A low profit sale is better than no sale. And hit them at the end of the month when they are most likely to make deals. Stand firm and you may get what you want.

[autosenses]

Originally Posted by Baldeagle

The dealership doesn’t know you are ready now. Even greedy dealerships want to make sales today. My approach would be to tell them that you like this 1st gen but know the “better” second gen is just a few months away, as is the new 400Z. You are fine waiting a few more months for a 2022 twin. If the dealership wants to make a sale today on a car that will depreciate rapidly after the second gen hits the streets, they need to be closer to dealer cost. And be prepared to walk. The car is only a chunk of metal to a dealership. A low profit sale is better than no sale. And hit them at the end of the month when they are most likely to make deals. Stand firm and you may get what you want.

Awesome, thanks for the tips. It's not my first rodeo, but sometimes you need a little reminder and encouragement.