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Old 02-24-2021, 02:30 AM   #1373
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Parking lots in Hawaii.
Not sure where you got your data from but that looks far different than 9/10s white cars.





yes white cars can be up to about 20 degrees cooler than black but there are loads of other colours in between where the difference just isn't that be.


White, black and grey cars are simply more populer everyplace right now regardless of heat.
Those are rental cars.
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Those are rental cars.
Which are traditionaly white almost everyplace.

OK Here is a shopping center.
There are 172 vehicles here.
Of that there are 72 of them that are white or silver. That is pretty far off of "9 out of 10" no matter how you spin it.
Sure there are some that will consider heat over colour preference but the number one selling consideration for any car in the general public is colour. People will chose their favourite colour over such things as heat more often than not.

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Which are traditionaly white almost everyplace.

OK Here is a shopping center.
There are 172 vehicles here.
Of that there are 72 of them that are white or silver. That is pretty far off of "9 out of 10" no matter how you spin it.
Sure there are some that will consider heat over colour preference but the number one selling consideration for any car in the general public is colour. People will chose their favourite colour over such things as heat more often than not.

Well, if you want to miss points and make semantical arguments, the #1 selling point of a car isn't color, I'd say safety is first, then perceived reliability, cost, etc etc etc. So if one were to compare a Chevrolet Malibu in their favorite shade of blue (favorite color amongst males apparently) vs a silver Honda Accord, well, the math says the Accord wins.

Further, when a person finally gets down to comparing two identical cars, and then things like color becomes the deciding factor, again you are mistaken because people don't normally choose their favorite personal color as their car color, otherwise there would be a ton more blue cars on the road since that is the most common choice for color preference for males and females. Consider that in almost every color poll, blue ranks the highest, with shades of brown and orange ranking the lowest, with shades of grey not even registering. The most popular colors sold are white, shades of grey, and black, and Toyota seems to be able to sell a ton of beige.

And as far as people in Hawaii buying cars is concerned, there is absolutely a preference for lighter colors. White 4 Runners and Tacoma Crew Cabs for instance are bread and butter cars in Hawaii, with special edition colors closely behind. But of course, manufacturers sell cars by batches, and not just based on what they're selling, and there are alot of people who aren't as steadfast as say car enthusiasts when it comes to color. If the car is there, the color doesn't offend them, and they can deal on it, they'll buy it. So maybe not 9/10, I mean what OEM actually makes 9/10 cars in a similar shade? But I believe the point was that the majority of people in Hawaii prefer lighter cars for practical reasons, based on my own anecdotal evidence, I'd say I can't disagree with that point unless I wanted to make an argument about the 9/10 aspect. But what's the point of that.
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Well, if you want to miss points and make semantical arguments, the #1 selling point of a car isn't color, I'd say safety is first, then perceived reliability, cost, etc etc etc. So if one were to compare a Chevrolet Malibu in their favorite shade of blue (favorite color amongst males apparently) vs a silver Honda Accord, well, the math says the Accord wins.

Further, when a person finally gets down to comparing two identical cars, and then things like color becomes the deciding factor, again you are mistaken because people don't normally choose their favorite personal color as their car color, otherwise there would be a ton more blue cars on the road since that is the most common choice for color preference for males and females. Consider that in almost every color poll, blue ranks the highest, with shades of brown and orange ranking the lowest, with shades of grey not even registering. The most popular colors sold are white, shades of grey, and black, and Toyota seems to be able to sell a ton of beige.

And as far as people in Hawaii buying cars is concerned, there is absolutely a preference for lighter colors. White 4 Runners and Tacoma Crew Cabs for instance are bread and butter cars in Hawaii, with special edition colors closely behind. But of course, manufacturers sell cars by batches, and not just based on what they're selling, and there are alot of people who aren't as steadfast as say car enthusiasts when it comes to color. If the car is there, the color doesn't offend them, and they can deal on it, they'll buy it. So maybe not 9/10, I mean what OEM actually makes 9/10 cars in a similar shade? But I believe the point was that the majority of people in Hawaii prefer lighter cars for practical reasons, based on my own anecdotal evidence, I'd say I can't disagree with that point unless I wanted to make an argument about the 9/10 aspect. But what's the point of that.
Safety, features, price, blah, blah, blah does it come in beige?
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Ha...I remember sometime around 2008 the Chevy Malibu was offered in no less than five shades of beige. Yeeesh! But I suppose if any car is to be offered that way it should be the Malibu. I mean...someone has to make rental cars, right?
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Which are traditionaly white almost everyplace.

OK Here is a shopping center.
There are 172 vehicles here.
Of that there are 72 of them that are white or silver. That is pretty far off of "9 out of 10" no matter how you spin it.
Sure there are some that will consider heat over colour preference but the number one selling consideration for any car in the general public is colour. People will chose their favourite colour over such things as heat more often than not.

Only two people with any taste in that crowd getting a real color.

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There's 4 red cars, 5 if one counts the dark maroon bmw, and 1 yellow car.
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There's 4 red cars, 5 if one counts the dark maroon bmw, and 1 yellow car.
Pretty much the mix you will find in any lot in any location across North America regardless of temperature.

Using some real data shows one of the states where you would expect the white/silver car rule to dominate shows that even combined they are only a little over 40% of the cars sold. This is still a far cry from "9 out of 10".

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9 out of 10 stats are made up bullshit
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Now that I think about it, my parents only ever owned Black, Blue and Red cars.

My maternal grandparents almost always had yellow, including my Grandmother's Corvair and my Grandfather's, various farm trucks, back when you actually could get cars and trucks in an array of colors.
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Ive only ever owned white or black cars...and that was really only because i had to pick the best looing colour (IMO) out of the blandest selection:

2006 Corolla XRS was white, but i think i had to pick between white, silver and black....

2015 Honda Fit was black...but it was because the other option (white) looked like a rental car. Would have gotten the blue one if it was there.

2016 Scion IM is white...Well it was used and the price/manual/mileage combination was the best one i found at the time. I would have gotten blue if that was available at the time.

Our BMW X1 is Estoril blue...i think it was the only one on the lot equipped the way we wanted (color and specs) so we had to jump on it.

Oceanic blue 86 GT manual hardly ever shows up on the used market so i have to prepare myself to go for a black or white one (i like the new pavement grey on the 2020's so thats an option if i end up going new)

If i go the subaru route, im only going with their World Rally Blue.

Yeah i like blue cars.

My dad has a more diverse color palette of cars:
VW Beetle (i dont know what colour)
Green Chrysler Reliant K > Brown Buick Century > Silver Chevrolet Corsica > White Chevrolet Corsica > Grey Corolla > Gold Nissan Altima > Silver Nissan Altima
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Which are traditionaly white almost everyplace.

OK Here is a shopping center.
There are 172 vehicles here.
Of that there are 72 of them that are white or silver. That is pretty far off of "9 out of 10" no matter how you spin it.
Sure there are some that will consider heat over colour preference but the number one selling consideration for any car in the general public is colour. People will chose their favourite colour over such things as heat more often than not.

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Safety, features, price, blah, blah, blah does it come in beige?


https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...0a%20new%20car.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/articl..._buy_a_new_car

https://news.gallup.com/businessjour...uyers-buy.aspx




I added these links for effect, because clearly you are wrong about "the number one selling consideration for any car in the general public is colour".
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Pretty much the mix you will find in any lot in any location across North America regardless of temperature.

Using some real data shows one of the states where you would expect the white/silver car rule to dominate shows that even combined they are only a little over 40% of the cars sold. This is still a far cry from "9 out of 10".

So Rhode Island seems to be the only state that buy colors based on what statistics show to be the most people's favorite color, blue. The other states seem to choose colors that don't.

So that's 1/13 based on that graphic you posted, for a guy being a stickler about someone saying 9/10, I mean... 1/13 vs "People will chose their favourite colour over such things as heat more often than not", but perhaps "more often than not" means something different.

https://www.livescience.com/34105-favorite-colors.html

I mean, in most studies, shades of grey and white doesn't even register in these polls.
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