Toyota GR Yaris

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Lol funny but I'll always take more videos on the GR Yaris

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Actually, they really enjoy driving base Yaris. Wished for LSD & better tires. Other than, they didn't have anything to complain about.

If I've got this right 7&1/2 seconds is a significant difference over such a short track. I know the tyres are different but even so.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Many years ago a friend and I picked up a Toyota Starlet from a car hire place in Adelaide. We went up to the Adelaide Hills which is a place of the few twisty roads in South Australia. I was driving, laughing my head off, tyres squealing around every bend. I continually braked short because the car was so light. It was a riot.

I had an '05 Dodge Neon which I loved to beat up. No ABS so that made it even more fun

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

If I've got this right 7&1/2 seconds is a significant difference over such a short track. I know the tyres are different but even so.

Correct

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Many years ago a friend and I picked up a Toyota Starlet from a car hire place in Adelaide. We went up to the Adelaide Hills which is a place of the few twisty roads in South Australia. I was driving, laughing my head off, tyres squealing around every bend. I continually braked short because the car was so light. It was a riot.

+1 biggest car secret is that Toyotas are a hoot when driven at 10/10ths. With Hondas it's a little expected, but I've gotten the chance to play with a recentish Yaris, Corolla and Camry, get over the body roll and there's a shocking amount of grip.

And with the exception of the electric parking brake Corolla the pedal dance works on them.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Yaris, Corolla and Camry, get over the body roll and there's a shocking amount of grip.

I have mentioned before I am surprised by the cornering ability of mum's 2013 Yaris. I am quite impressed by this inexpensive shopping trolley and I like to think I have surprised a few people overtaking them on the outside of roundabouts.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by beltax90

They one make race these things in the philippines and thailand

Reminds me of this:




70hp (!) of door to door action.
https://www.enduroka.co.uk/

[Captain Snooze]

How about another clip?

[Captain Snooze]

And another.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by beltax90

They one make race these things in the philippines and thailand

Ah, I miss my Vios. Had a lot of people questioning what it was at the time.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

And another.

Bruh, they gotta stop comparing the Yaris to the CTR honestly. It's clear to me they are for quite different purposes. The Yaris is like a better STi.

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Bruh, they gotta stop comparing the Yaris to the CTR honestly. It's clear to me they are for quite different purposes. The Yaris is like a better STi.

This is a C&P from a post of mine elsewhere:

Evolve/Joe Achilies did a comparison with the GP Pack Mini, which I think is pretty close in appeal/style. They will compare on track eventually, which they suggested that the Mini might be more suited, but the Yaris came out well on the road. Other than that, I guess any other supermini's will be the obvious comparison but all there is are i20N (eventually - also a rally car.... loosely) and the FST. Then you have the 4WD hatches, so then you'd be comparing to A35, M135, Golf R etc but these all seem more grown up, so will attract a different buyer. TBH I think it's real competitors are the CTR Limited (sold out), FST Mountune (it's a tuned Fiesta), Mini GP (no rear seats), Megane Trophy-R (Who spends that on a Megane!?) and that's probably about it.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

This is a C&P from a post of mine elsewhere:

Evolve/Joe Achilies did a comparison with the GP Pack Mini, which I think is pretty close in appeal/style. They will compare on track eventually, which they suggested that the Mini might be more suited, but the Yaris came out well on the road. Other than that, I guess any other supermini's will be the obvious comparison but all there is are i20N (eventually - also a rally car.... loosely) and the FST. Then you have the 4WD hatches, so then you'd be comparing to A35, M135, Golf R etc but these all seem more grown up, so will attract a different buyer. TBH I think it's real competitors are the CTR Limited (sold out), FST Mountune (it's a tuned Fiesta), Mini GP (no rear seats), Megane Trophy-R (Who spends that on a Megane!?) and that's probably about it.

To you, what makes the CTR a good comparison to the Yaris? Is it because they both are similarily priced hot hatches?

The reason I disconnect them is because of the fact they were developed with different things in mind. The Yaris is literally a rally car built for the street; the only thing that'd make the CTR even farther from the Yaris would be RWD. The CTR is a time trial car, even if the Yaris is faster around a track (it's not I think), this is what the CTR was built as. These comparisons are best to be done with other rally bred cars when in regards to performance if you ask me.

I don't think there is much out there yet, but I'm sure once more people start setting lap times with the Yaris, it will become more apparent that the Yaris isn't meant to set times, it was meant to hoon like a mad man because rally life bro *stustustustustustu* *insert anti lag sounds*. I just think because of how mental the car is and the things it does, everyone has a hard on for it, just like they did for the CTR before it (some people even think the CTR is some sort of drag racing god, IT'S NOT).

The Yaris is a special car, but comparing it to cars that don't make sense, even in favourable conditions is just odd, youtubers are shady cough cough carwow cough, but whatever drives views I guess.

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

To you, what makes the CTR a good comparison to the Yaris? Is it because they both are similarly priced hot hatches?

Yes and I think if you're in the market you would possibly cross-shop the 2. The problem, as you say, is that there are no other cars in either B/C segment that are remotely similar - remember that in Europe we no longer get any fun Subaru models (BRZ exited not long after the WRX/STi) and there are no others out there. CTR and Mini GP are both more lap time setters than the Yaris. Doesn't necessarily make them better on the road, but for around £35k you're really looking at the best drivers hot hatches or the 2nd tier "premium" hot hatches. I'm not sure a comparison needs to be all of the same, if I were in the market for a hatch with that type of cash, comparing a few different ones would be ideal for helping me choose - what's a better DD, track day toy, weekend B-road weapon etc.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

Yes and I think if you're in the market you would possibly cross-shop the 2. The problem, as you say, is that there are no other cars in either B/C segment that are remotely similar - remember that in Europe we no longer get any fun Subaru models (BRZ exited not long after the WRX/STi) and there are no others out there. CTR and Mini GP are both more lap time setters than the Yaris. Doesn't necessarily make them better on the road, but for around £35k you're really looking at the best drivers hot hatches or the 2nd tier "premium" hot hatches. I'm not sure a comparison needs to be all of the same, if I were in the market for a hatch with that type of cash, comparing a few different ones would be ideal for helping me choose - what's a better DD, track day toy, weekend B-road weapon etc.

I completely forgot the STi was taken out of that market.. this is the car I think would best compare that actually exists.

I understand the road testing and comparisons with the CTR, it's just the performance testing that makes no sense. If like you say, you're shopping for a car that can best do all of these things (DD, backroad, track), the AWD car is usually going to come out on top if you have bad enough weather, especially during winter.

The primary goal here seems to be fun, and the amount of hype behind the Yaris supports it greatly in the eastern world. Doing a track test where the CTR then beats it will skew peoples perception of what the car was meant for. Everyone likes to have this idea that one car can do everything, but it just isn't the reality.

Truly the Yaris stands on it's own with no competitors, I think this helps it's popularity greatly. People with access to both these cars should honestly just buy the Yaris, unless someone is hellbent on having a track weapon, I think the Yaris would be more than adequate.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, one is an everyday touring car, the other is an everyday rally car. It's kind of similar to CTR vs Golf R, which is another joke... but CTR vs Golf TCR, that's much more interesting.