That engine though. Where will it sit among the great 4cyl NA's?

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Are those manual transmission fanatics, the same people who cannot figure out that the way out of torque dip is just a downshift away? Low rpm torque is their most wanted feature, next to manual transmission

I hear you, thats pretty much what we all have to do For me the car just does not have enough grunt to afford a torque dip.

I mean, your punching it 5k and over on the street, just to feel slightly spirited.

You can crow about changing gears all you like, but I will be extremely happy to see the arse end of that torque curve.

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by pallen

I would think the torque dip would be more of an issue for autos since they tend to be more aggressive about getting you into a higher gear for better gas mileage.

You can manually downshift with AT in both manual and auto mode, very quick and with rev match. It is only an issue with AT, just like MT, if all you do is push the throttle and hold your breath.

Originally Posted by Blighty

I hear you, thats pretty much what we all have to do For me the car just does not have enough grunt to afford a torque dip.

I mean, your punching it 5k and over on the street, just to feel slightly spirited.

You can crow about changing gears all you like, but I will be extremely happy to see the arse end of that torque curve.

I am not crowing or arguing with anyone's preference. But the fact is that shifting gears is an important part of technical driving. When it is done right, this engine is supposed to be outside torque dip. This car requires and rewards technical driving. Without the effort of driver, it might be a dull experience.

[pallen]

Originally Posted by mrg666

You can manually downshift with AT in both manual and auto mode, very quick and with rev match. It is only an issue with AT, just like MT, if all you do is push the throttle and hold your breath.

Sure, you always have the option with an auto, but with the mt, you can’t just push the throttle. You are literally deciding when to shift every single shift. That’s what I mean.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by mrg666

Are those manual transmission fanatics, the same people who cannot figure out that the way out of torque dip is just a downshift away? Low rpm torque is their most wanted feature, next to manual transmission

I think it’s a bigger deal for people coming from cars where 2000RPM in top gear pulls hard enough on the interstate to pass a mini van without downshifting. Something just feels odd needing to boy racer pass a mini van at 5000 on the interstate. In the FRS people probably think I’m trying to race making all this noise. For me it had been a while driving anything with less than 6 cylinders. So the combination of switching to E85 and just getting used to a 4 banger again, it’s not a big deal for me anymore.

I suspect the most vocal are coming from cars with turbos or more cylinders/displacement. Had I gone from an S2000 to a Twin I’d probably be so happy to have power at 2000RPM that I’d forget all about the dip.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ermax

I suspect the most vocal are coming from cars with turbos or more cylinders/displacement. Had I gone from an S2000 to a Twin I’d probably be so happy to have power at 2000RPM that I’d forget all about the dip.

This is the bottom line. It's not a midrange dip, it's a low-rpm bump. Biggest engine I've ever had was the L24 in the Z. Over-square spinny power has always been my thing. Would love to rock something like a Synergy but stock is fine for me.

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

This is the bottom line. It's not a midrange dip, it's a low-rpm bump. Biggest engine I've ever had was the L24 in the Z. Over-square spinny power has always been my thing. Would love to rock something like a Synergy but stock is fine for me.

I would also love to have the Synergy.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by mrg666

I would also love to have the Synergy.

Wouldn't we all!! Hahaha. I'd be happy just having the Synergy sound track.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by ermax

Wouldn't we all!! Hahaha. I'd be happy just having the Synergy sound track.

I have heard the 3 liter in person, it is glorious.

[Spuds]

Me 5

[Ultramaroon]

I had no idea it would be so controversial. Please accept my humble apologies.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I had no idea it would be so controversial. Please accept my humble apologies.

I think there needs to be a poll on it now.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by ermax

I think it’s a bigger deal for people coming from cars where 2000RPM in top gear pulls hard enough on the interstate to pass a mini van without downshifting. Something just feels odd needing to boy racer pass a mini van at 5000 on the interstate. In the FRS people probably think I’m trying to race making all this noise. For me it had been a while driving anything with less than 6 cylinders. So the combination of switching to E85 and just getting used to a 4 banger again, it’s not a big deal for me anymore.

I suspect the most vocal are coming from cars with turbos or more cylinders/displacement. Had I gone from an S2000 to a Twin I’d probably be so happy to have power at 2000RPM that I’d forget all about the dip.

Agreed. As much as I love my FRS, I would welcome more torque with open arms. I think people think I’m trying to “race” them all the time. Nope, just trying to get up to speed. And with so many cars having a lot more torque than the twins, it makes them feel slower than they really are. I’m really looking forward to driving the 2nd gen. I don’t want a torque monster, obviously, I bought an FRS. But decent torque would be nice.


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[x808drifter]

Some good info, LOTS of talking out his ass.