Vacci-Nation [CLOSED DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL, INSULTING, POLITICAL POSTS

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

How many of you are actually thinking about getting the vaccine as soon as you can.

I'm a bit skeptical of the Pfizer product. The specialized freezers in pharmacies, and the instructions to keep it at -70° weird me out. You're telling me there is a RELIABLE network of delivery people keeping this product at the right temperature the entire time and then every single person is reconstituting it correctly.

I'm not up on my medicine history but has any other product in the last twenty years needed its own specialized freezer that's being supplied by the company? I'm sure there has to be, but a mass marketed vaccine of this scale?

If it were to make me feel like shit for a day or few, I'd be good with it. The whole dry ice thing is no biggie. Temp logs are part of the quality process. Now, wasn't there a bunch of the stuff that failed some sort of quality test? Hmmm...

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

How many of you are actually thinking about getting the vaccine as soon as you can.

I'm a bit skeptical of the Pfizer product. The specialized freezers in pharmacies, and the instructions to keep it at -70° weird me out. You're telling me there is a RELIABLE network of delivery people keeping this product at the right temperature the entire time and then every single person is reconstituting it correctly.

I'm not up on my medicine history but has any other product in the last twenty years needed its own specialized freezer that's being supplied by the company? I'm sure there has to be, but a mass marketed vaccine of this scale?

I'm getting mine tomorrow. The product is likely getting used very quickly, so these long storage times likely aren't necessary. I don't know if the vaccine comes with some type of quality control tests to make sure the batches never were thawed or are still effective. They might have temperature strips with them that change color if they were subject to warm temperatures. I'll ask tomorrow.

We also have developed packaging and storage innovations to be fit for purpose for the range of locations where we believe vaccinations will take place. We have specially designed,temperature-controlled thermal shippers utilizing dry ice to maintain recommended storage temperature conditions of -70°C±10°C for up to 10 days unopened. The intent is to utilize Pfizer-strategic transportation partners to ship by air to major hubs within a country/region and by ground transport to dosing locations.

Once a POU receives a thermal shipper with our vaccine, they have three options for storage:
- Ultra-low-temperature freezers, which are commercially available and can extend shelf life for up to six months.
- The Pfizer thermal shippers, in which doses will arrive, that can be used as temporary storage units by refilling with dry ice every five days for up to 30 days of storage.
- Refrigeration units that are commonly available in hospitals. The vaccine can be stored for five days at refrigerated 2-8°C conditions.

After storage for up to 30 days in the Pfizer thermal shipper, vaccination centers can transfer the vials to 2-8°C storage conditions for an additional five days, for a total of up to 35 days. Once thawed and stored under 2-8°C conditions, the vials cannot be re-frozen or stored under frozen conditions.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topi...ion_fact_sheet

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...pfizer-moderna

[Ultramaroon]

I'll say another thing about the military and quality control. Having spent most of my twenties neck deep in navair maintenance, think safety-of-flight, one thing that I have plenty of faith in is that quality control is one of our armed forces' greatest core competencies.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

How many of you are actually thinking about getting the vaccine as soon as you can.

I volunteered for the trials, so yea as soon as I can. Didn't get selected apparently.

As others have said, the freezer requirement is not big deal, logistics companies deal with this kind of thing all the time. The packages all contain temp monitors in them that are very difficult to work around (serialized, recorded and such).

[soundman98]

everything is going digital now, and i can't find it anymore as youtube's algorithm is going bonkers with everyone looking at cold temp storage measurement devices..

but there used to be a video i saw years ago, i believe in the eevblog, where he tore down an old style temp datalogger for shipping. it basically was a spinning graphing wheel, with a temp probe powered by a battery. very simple easy to read and use device that easily confirmed/denied if the package temperature was maintained through the entirety of shipping.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I'll say another thing about the military and quality control. Having spent most of my twenties neck deep in navair maintenance, think safety-of-flight, one thing that I have plenty of faith in is that quality control is one of our armed forces' greatest core competencies.

That is why 5 lines of code might cost $2.4 million and 8 months to put out the door.

Well, among other things.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by soundman98

everything is going digital now, and i can't find it anymore as youtube's algorithm is going bonkers with everyone looking at cold temp storage measurement devices..

but there used to be a video i saw years ago, i believe in the eevblog, where he tore down an old style temp datalogger for shipping. it basically was a spinning graphing wheel, with a temp probe powered by a battery. very simple easy to read and use device that easily confirmed/denied if the package temperature was maintained through the entirety of shipping.

If one doesn't already exist, it would be cheap and pretty simple to make a one-shot mechanical device like a fuse to catch that one killer temp swing.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Spuds

That is why 5 lines of code might cost $2.4 million and 8 months to put out the door.

Well, among other things.

Never said it was cheap. If you think about it, it's all radiation hardening, just at a much lower frequency.




Oh, and that super expensive code? The people running it have been trained HARD to Read-And-Follow-TFM. Included in that was following the process to write and change TFM.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

That is why 5 lines of code might cost $2.4 million and 8 months to put out the door.

Well, among other things.

[Irace86.2.0]

I'm blanking. Did we talk about the new strain in the UK and other countries that seems to be spreading 70% faster?

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-wh...ain/a-56000831

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Never said it was cheap. If you think about it, it's all radiation hardening, just at a much lower frequency.




Oh, and that super expensive code? The people running it have been trained HARD to Read-And-Follow-TFM. Included in that was following the process to write and change TFM.

Edit, by that I mean 'aint that some truth right there.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I'm blanking. Did we talk about the new strain in the UK and other countries that seems to be spreading 70% faster?

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-wh...ain/a-56000831

Yes, JD pointed it out a few pages back.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I'm blanking. Did we talk about the new strain in the UK and other countries that seems to be spreading 70% faster?

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-wh...ain/a-56000831

i thought we talked about this back in september... about 2 threads ago

[AnalogMan]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

They delete posts about politics all the time. It's fine. They don't want us getting into debates about ideals.

It's a continuum and gray zones between science and business and politics. They're inter-related, and all too easy for a conversation to start out in one place and quickly end up in another, especially in these charged and polarized times.

I apologize for going down the rabbit hole of politics myself. I've got to work harder on inserting a pause between 'stimulus' and 'response' (as my meditation class and instructor tries to teach us), and take a breather before reacting.