(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Th3rdSun]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

The original release of the 86 in North America was May (for the First 86 group at Scion) and June 2012 as a 2013 model. That may be what folks were keying off of.

It became available in Japan in January for February I believe.

Regardless,like I said before,October is less that a year away,so it's really not that big of a deal,imo.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

Oh,you know it was to reduce cost. I agree,wider tires just look better,but the added advantage in this case is that they are also better for performance.

Personally,I'd rather they add a couple thousand dollars more on the MSRP for a proper wheel and tire setup. You can always work out a better deal at the dealership,so the increased cost maybe wouldn't be as bad as people would think.

Agreed, I think many of us would be willing to spend a little more for upgrades like that. I wish Subaru and Toyota realized that. More so Toyota, they really hold back from performance parts. At least Subaru creates really cool models like STI and RA variants. I prefer OEM parts and warranty. (I consider STI to be OEM) And like you said, you can always negotiate a lower price.


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

Oh,you know it was to reduce cost. I agree,wider tires just look better,but the added advantage in this case is that they are also better for performance.

Personally,I'd rather they add a couple thousand dollars more on the MSRP for a proper wheel and tire setup. You can always work out a better deal at the dealership,so the increased cost maybe wouldn't be as bad as people would think.

I doubt it reduced manufacturing cost by more than a few cents. They are not paying retail and can negotiate about the same price no matter what tire.
The tires they use are the best compromise they can make to gain a few more points for mileage and emissions. It really is that simple.


I think that the vast majority of people would NOT want to pay extra for special tires even if they could/would put them on. Most will be happy with what is there and the ones that want different will change no matter what. There are hundreds of various sizes and types so to say "better" tires may meet one person's individual tastes and suck for everybody else.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JesseG

Agreed, I think many of us would be willing to spend a little more for upgrades like that. I wish Subaru and Toyota realized that. More so Toyota, they really hold back from performance parts. At least Subaru creates really cool models like STI and RA variants. I prefer OEM parts and warranty. (I consider STI to be OEM) And like you said, you can always negotiate a lower price.


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You can buy TRD performance wheels and upgraded tires from Toyota when you buy the car. They have loads of options. The thing is that you are not going to get them cheap so nobody ever does. TRD has pretty much an equivalent part for every STI one but again nobody wants to pay the price.
It seems like people expect the dealers to just give them away for the privilege of selling them the car.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

Regardless,like I said before,October is less that a year away,so it's really not that big of a deal,imo.

Not disagreeing, just passing along the history.

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

Regardless,like I said before,October is less that a year away,so it's really not that big of a deal,imo.

I disagree, for me it may become a deal breaker, as my plan so far is to buy a sports car next year and use before MI winter. It may drive me to delay my plan, get a gen 1 or move to another platform.
This may also be the case of others.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by 86league

The Subaru press release says 7000 up in the text, but it also says the wheelbase increased by 0.02" and the height decreased by 0.04" in the specs table, so it's not without errors.

https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...r-18th-release

it has got to be a typo within the article considering the multiple tachs we've seen show the redline in between 7 & 8, and it isn't like the dyno cuts off exactly at peak power "Horsepower 228 HP @ 7,000 RPM", just like on our gen 1 cars, it gives us some wiggle room shifting at soon as peak power falls off..

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Stonehorsw

I disagree, for me it may become a deal breaker, as my plan so far is to buy a sports car next year and use before MI winter.

Or, you'll be able to get a good deal on it because they'll just be sitting on lots in the snow belt....

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Stonehorsw

I disagree, for me it may become a deal breaker, as my plan so far is to buy a sports car next year and use before MI winter. It may drive me to delay my plan, get a gen 1 or move to another platform.
This may also be the case of others.

Historically the sales numbers for these cars in Canada drop dramatically from October to March each year. Even the first year the sales numbers went way down through that period.
California, Florida and the rest of the warm states prop them up a bit in the US but there is still a drop through the winter.
October is the very worst time to put a sports car out on the market for the bulk of the North America.


I can read the mid January clickbait headlines already

"New BRZ Faces Extinction After Abysmal Sales in Last Quarter 2021"


Oh and


"Toyota Has Yet to Release the GR 86 That is Expected to Save the Twins".

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Or, you'll be able to get a good deal on it because they'll just be sitting on lots in the snow belt....

LOL said while I was writing mine!

[Baldeagle]

Originally Posted by Stonehorsw

I disagree, for me it may become a deal breaker, as my plan so far is to buy a sports car next year and use before MI winter. It may drive me to delay my plan, get a gen 1 or move to another platform.
This may also be the case of others.

There’s always the next gen 400Z. It’s supposed to be in showrooms by Spring 2021. With an estimated 400 hp, its obviously more of a Supra competitor than an 86 competitor. But unlike the Supra, the 400Z will offer a 6MT. Sadly, if people here hate the snout of the 2022 BRZ, they probably hate the looks of the 400Z even more. But it is an option if you are on a timetable.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Not sure how much closer to 50/50 the "near perfect" is gonna be.

Not this again.

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

50/50 weight distribution is something that the marketing department promotes. Especially BMW. Note that that it is static weight distribution that is being promoted so maybe it improves handling when the vehicle is stationary. Also something that never gets mentioned in those adverts is where that mass is located; that is, having 40% of the mass in front of the front axles and 40% of the mass behind the rear axles is very different from having 80% of the mass between the two axles but both are 50/50 distributed.

That figure "50/50" is front/rear. There is never any mention in adverts about left/right balance which in road cars is kinda difficult unless one removes the driver. If one is serious about this one will get the car corner balanced but it depends on one's ability to make use of what I believe to be an incremental benefit.

Have a read of this:
https://oakmanonracing.wordpress.com...n-doesnt-work/

http://automotivethinker.com/chassis...s-not-optimal/

I am suggesting that in a BRZ/86/FRS weight reduction from anywhere is more significant than worrying about distribution.

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by Baldeagle

There’s always the next gen 400Z. It’s supposed to be in showrooms by Spring 2021. With an estimated 400 hp, its obviously more of a Supra competitor than an 86 competitor. But unlike the Supra, the 400Z will offer a 6MT. Sadly, if people here hate the snout of the 2022 BRZ, they probably hate the looks of the 400Z even more. But it is an option if you are on a timetable.

If they do not put it to a diet, and keep on same weight level as a Camaro, I would take the Alpha platform, which is far better (which does not make any difference on my skill level).

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Th3rdSun

I always felt like from the marketing perspective,to expect the buyers of this car to all be able to drive this car at 10/10 and be capable of controlling it in a slide in corners,vs having wider,more grippy tires where everyone can control it,is asking a whole lot,but that's just me.

Ftfy.