(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I am not 100% certain what the FA20 block has. From this post, there seems to be conflicting information where he says that the liners are metal matrix composite, but the quote he posted says the liners are thin cast iron:

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...31&postcount=6

If we follow what Toyobaru is telling us then the liners are thin cast iron with an irregular/rough back to them, so that the liners provide better adhesion to the aluminum when they are cast together.

With that said, I don't know if it is possible to create a larger bore with a thicker cast iron layer that when bonded with the aluminum is stronger, yet overall, is slightly thinner.

A 100cc overbore and a 100cc HKS-like stroker would put displacement at 2.2 like the F22C following the F20C, which seems reasonable.

Again, all I am saying is we don't know until we know.

If the F24 is real then we know exactly what the bore and stroke are. We also know it is a slightly larger engine. There is no mystery in that. Well other than if that is the real engine of course.
what we can safely assume is that they didn't make a brand new engine just for this car so no 2.2 overvores.

[PandaEighty-Six]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Some of the first gen are seven years old. Some people will be ready for a trade in. This generation is likely to appeal to a broader audience anyways and be a bit more refined.

But, I hope it has a carbon tub, 2600lbs, 250Hp NA and priced under 50K!

That would be excellent but am pretty sure such a light vehicle would preclude it from North American markets not unlike the Alpine A100 (unless maybe they raised it).

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If the F24 is real then we know exactly what the bore and stroke are. We also know it is a slightly larger engine. There is no mystery in that. Well other than if that is the real engine of course.
what we can safely assume is that they didn't make a brand new engine just for this car so no 2.2 overvores.

Watch it be a 2.2L. I will literally ROFL.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Watch it be a 2.2L. I will literally ROFL.

2.2
205.5HP

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If the F24 is real then we know exactly what the bore and stroke are. We also know it is a slightly larger engine. There is no mystery in that. Well other than if that is the real engine of course.
what we can safely assume is that they didn't make a brand new engine just for this car so no 2.2 overvores.

2.4L

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by PandaEighty-Six

That would be excellent but am pretty sure such a light vehicle would preclude it from North American markets not unlike the Alpine A100 (unless maybe they raised it).

Doesn't matter. It will never happen...

[Stonehorsw]

Iphone feelings: Hope that gen2 comes with a appealing platform/engine that would drive people to sell their gen1s...

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Stonehorsw

Iphone feelings: Hope that gen2 comes with a appealing platform/engine that would drive people to sell their gen1s...

the only way i'll 'sell' my first gen involves (another) insurance claim.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

2.4L

You just had to spoil it. But will it have D4S?

[TheDonEffect]

I for one cannot wait to see what's coming. I've made peace with the lower part motor and all that. I get it, it shows the car to be lighter bubbler and frankly cheaper while offering a driving experience that's been lost. In allot of ways it's a throwback.
But, I just don't see why they can't just give it that damn turbo, as if it absolutely need to be upgraded in every way making it weigh 3300+lbs. They could just make it with 200-240 stock and then let the world get what they want. There's a good amount of fwd cars that offer that already, so why not this car?

But then I leaned back in my chair and sorta thought about it. An I trying to build a super car killer? Not going to happen these days, porsches hit 60 well under 4 if not 3. But no I'm not.

I thought about this one dude who's building a 2g eclipse gst right now on the s2ki forum, and he was talking about how getting over 300hp was a bit of a struggle, technology. I think allot of us think back to the days of sr20det and 3sgte and think oh man if we just had a modern one we could go giant killing. Keto in mind the venerable supra was 320hp, and porsches were still air cooled.

I remember reading about how allot of those monster power cars all had built motors, I remember people I knew blowing motors.

Point is, if a turbo is what I really wanted, I can just get one of the carb legal kits and call it a day, hell get the edelbrock kit and I have my full warranty. If I want to make over 400hp, well allot of cars don't make that sort of power without some internal work.

Don't get me wrong, if they make a turbo I'll be first in line to get it lol, but if they don't, all I ask is that they don't waiver on that position.

Going to be a long 24hrs.

[sneaky_pete]

Originally Posted by TheDonEffect

Don't get me wrong, if they make a turbo I'll be first in line to get it lol, but if they don't, all I ask is that they don't waiver on that position.

yep. Toybaru better not pull a mid-life update in a couple of years and suddenly pull a turbo version out of their ar$e.

[Wally86]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Maybe he has an auto, or maybe he doesn't redline and aggressively shift just to beat that minivan off the line.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/suba...ic-first-test/

My condolences

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

2.4L

Spilling beans left and right!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Maybe he has an auto...

Hey, I have an auto and I can guarantee you there has never been a soccer mom that got away from the light before I did, even if their hauler was faster than me on paper.