Subaru previews next-generation BRZ, announces November 18th unveiling date

[JesseG]

^ I’m not really seeing the FTO resemblance, although that is a really cool car. The FTO looks more bloated to me.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the 2nd gen twins have some more aluminum pieces in the suspension design, lighter brakes/wheels, and possibly even the carbon/composite roof like on the GR Yaris. That could lighten the car by quite a bit, and would offset a heavier engine and diff. They are promising a lower COG so that could be a way to do it.


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[soundman98]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Not sure why, but some people sound pessimistic about the next gen model.

It's supposed to have 40% more torsional rigidity and a bigger displacement as well as other improvements with a new platform. This makes it even a better car to mod.

Pessimists, go sit in the corner and recite the pay toilet poem.
You know the one. "Here I sit broken hearted, paid a dime but only #&%@*$.

LOL

all those "supposed to" are as-yet unverified from any official source, and mostly regurgitated by clickbait sites circle-jerking each others misinformation.

you're absolutely right, it could have all those things. but it could also have none of those things.

[C4RBON]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Perhaps it could be lighter, but you don't typically keep the same overall shape and increase rigidity by 40% by removing material. I suppose you could use lighter materials, but that typically increases the price by quite a bit. My guess is it's weight would have had to increased somewhat, probably closer to 3000lb to be a reasonable price. I am also fairly certain they would at least up the torque to sell, which engine is unknown, but if there are performance models coming out next summer then you can bet the base engine will be pretty boring. Sounds good in some ways, but now you just have a slightly lighter ecoboost Mustang instead of a follow-up to what was.

The industry hasn't stood still since the last model was designed. Aluminum and composites are far more common (and cheaper) now than a decade ago. I hope the next gen makes use of lighter materials to keep the overall weight about the same as the first generation.


Some realistic examples of weight saving opportunities are:
- Aluminum front lower control arms and knuckles; both are very common in $30k+ cars now.

- Aluminum roof panel; these can be bonded directly to steel

- FRP trunk; the Supra and Corolla hatch both have FRP liftbacks. Many full size trucks now at least offer a composite tailgate.

- Aluminum front fenders; many cars have these now, including the similarly-priced ND miata.


None of the above changes would require any fundamental changes to the existing vehicle platform. If they are making significant platform changes, additional use of high-strength steel is likely.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by C4RBON

The industry hasn't stood still since the last model was designed. Aluminum and composites are far more common (and cheaper) now than a decade ago. I hope the next gen makes use of lighter materials to keep the overall weight about the same as the first generation.

Maybe, but I still doubt that it is likely to weigh the same or less than gen 1.

[C4RBON]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Maybe, but I still doubt that it is likely to weigh the same or less than gen 1.

I certainly don't expect it to weigh less. I'll be happy if it is less than 100lbs heavier. Most cars get heavier and bigger in each subsequent generation. The ND stands out for getting smaller and lighter. The 370Z was also lighter than the 350Z when it launched (comparing similar trim levels). Hopefully we get some published weight specs on the 18th.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There is not one single thing there that is even close beyond "car".

Multiple people brought up Porsche headlight influences, maybe in the trapezoid shape or in the placement, which IMO, has a similar look to the FTO.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Multiple people brought up Porsche headlight influences, maybe in the trapezoid shape or in the placement, which IMO, has a similar look to the FTO.

Neither of those is even close.

How hard are you squinting to get that?

Placement? You mean on the front of the car in the corners? Like every other car made?

Why are you using a render that isn't accurate to the one singe thing we actually know?

[soundman98]

and i'm off to look at importing FTO's again...

[DarkSunrise]

Fake or not, I like that yellow C&D render! Best one yet

[weederr33]

I forgot how gorgeous the FTOs are :O

[RetroRacer]

I agree there is absolutely NO resemblance to the FTO to me personally.

As far as weight with the new car I also agree that the probability of a slight increase to me is almost a given with the added safety features supposedly being implemented into the new gen.

I’m still hoping for a sub 3000lb car again, as stated above hopefully the unveiling answers these questions for us

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by Red-86

Standard 718 is a turbo H4, so still a boxer. Some folk even complained it sounded like a Subaru engine!

The 2.0 sounds nice enough. For $60K, I'm not so sure I'd be overly thrilled, but at the same time, it is faster than the older Cayman S models with the larger flat 6.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Neither of those is even close.

How hard are you squinting to get that?

Placement? You mean on the front of the car in the corners? Like every other car made?

Why are you using a render that isn't accurate to the one singe thing we actually know?

I don’t know exactly what people were claiming with the Porsche suv headlight comparison. I was taking it to mean a headlight that is more trapezoid and one that has more headlight exposure from the top or sits more on top, which made me compare it to the FTO to show that it can look good on something besides a Porsche. Obviously it won’t be exact to a 90’s car, no different than the current 86 is loosely influenced by the shape of the 2000GT, which Toyota has claimed, but looking at the 2000GT’s front fenders, if you squint, you can see the comparison. It is subtle. I admit, but that is what I think they are seeing. A little closer together looking too.

Just for reference, the current 86’s headlights are more acute triangles and less exposed from the top than what the render looks like to some:

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

The 2.0 sounds nice enough. For $60K, I'm not so sure I'd be overly thrilled, but at the same time, it is faster than the older Cayman S models with the larger flat 6.

The Cayman S with the 2.5 H4 is arguably the faster and better car to get than the GTS with the 4.0 H6. Between the tuning potential and the low end torque, it will perform better, especially considering the long gears, but it would be hard to pass up a high revving NA H6, even if it is less usable just for the character, sound, NA response and need to work the motor.